Wade vs Kyrie vs Kobe

[Mr Feeny]

Okay okay, you're probably right. Wade 2013 > Kobe 2000. But still, Kobe's game 4 pretty much omits him from getting "carried" to a ring when he was the singular reason that the series was 3-1 rather than 2-2 in the first place.

Your hero scored 15 ppg on 36%
Shaq averaged 38 and 17 on 60+%fg

That's the definition of being carried.

[Doranku]

You don't think Shaq could've taken them to a title if the series was 2-2? The guy averaged 38/17/2/1/3 on 61%. Probably the GOAT Finals numbers.

Probably, but you never know. What happens if Shaq fouls out again, which he was obviously more than capable of? No Kobe, and then going against one of the most clutch players of all-time in Reggie Miller.

I'm not saying the Lakers would have lost, but you have to give Kobe credit for what he did in Game 4, especially considering the magnitude of the game (3-1 vs 2-2).

[Hey Yo]

Kobe in '00 is weird to rank, because he was (intentionally, as per Jalen Rose's own admittance) injured for half the series, but he also completely took over game 4 when Shaq fouled out, making the series 3-1 instead of 2-2.

Tbh, that was at least as impactful as anything Wade's broken down ass achieved in the 2013 finals.

Shaq fouled out with 2:33 left in OT with the score 112-109 Lakers.

Kobe scored 6pts after Shaq fouled out. While he was the leading scorer after the 2:33 mark, it's still not really enough to warrant the term "completely took over"

[aj1987]

Shaq fouled out with 2:33 left in OT with the score 112-109 Lakers.

Kobe scored 6pts after Shaq fouled out. While he was the leading scorer after the 2:33 mark, it's still not really enough to warrant the term "completely took over"

Watch the game bro. The Lakers do not win without Kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe 2001
Kobe 2002
Kyrie 2016
Wade 2012
Irving 2015
Kobe 2000
Wade 2013
Wade 2014

There ya go

[Hey Yo]

Watch the game bro. The Lakers do not win without Kobe.

I didn't say they wouldn't have, but it's not like others were taking and missing shots after Shaq fouled out. Kobe was the one taking the shots, outside of Shaw's miss at the very end followed by Kobe's put back put them up by 3.

Just saying that going 3-3 after Shaq fouled out really doesn't warrant the expression........... "completely took over"

Horry went 2-2 and LA had a 3pt lead when Shaq fouled out. Does that mean Rob was completely taking the game over? I would say no.

[Klay 3D]

Wade with a Kyrie sidekick would've beat the Mavs in 2011.

[aj1987]

Wade with a Kyrie sidekick would've beat the Mavs in 2011.

They wouldn't have gotten past the Bulls.