Wade vs Kyrie vs Kobe

[Lebronxrings]

Battle of the sidekicks. Who do you take to compliment your 1a option? 3,2,1 GO!

[GrapeApe]

Kobe 2001
Kobe 2002
Wade 2012
Kyrie 2016
Wade 2013
Kobe 2000

Probably this.

[Lebronxrings]

Kobe 2001
Kobe 2002
Wade 2012
Kyrie 2016
Wade 2013
Kobe 2000

kyrie should be much higher tbbh...

[SamuraiSWISH]

1) Kobe 2001 29/7/6
2) Kobe 2002 27/6/5

I can see the debate between these two

3) Wade 2012 23/5/4 (defense)
4) Kyrie 2016 25/3/5

5) LeBron 2011 24/8/6 (defense)

[GrapeApe]

1) Kobe 2001 29/7/6
2) Kobe 2002 27/6/5

I can see the debate between these two

3) Wade 2012 23/5/4 (defense)
4) Kyrie 2016 25/3/5

5) LeBron 2011 24/8/6 (defense)

I suppose Irving could be argued above 2012 Wade, but Wade was pretty damn good that season. 2nd team all-NBA, 3rd best PER, 23/5/4/2/1 in the playoffs, and excellent defensively. He could impact a game in more ways than Irving. I think Wade's 2-way play gives him a slight edge over Irving's small scoring advantage.

[Bankaii]

1) Kobe 2001 29/7/6
2) Kobe 2002 27/6/5

I can see the debate between these two

3) Wade 2012 23/5/4 (defense)
4) Kyrie 2016 25/3/5

5) LeBron 2011 24/8/6 (defense)

If You're talking about the entire season, you're a jackass.
Lebron was the best player in the RS, and 3/4 rounds of the postseason (the Boston series is debatable) for the Heat.
Aside from the Finals he was the best player in the league, and even so Wade was just as bad in the ECF if that's your reasoning for calling Bron a sidekick.

And 2016 Kyrie > 2012 Wade.

[GrapeApe]

If You're talking about the entire season, you're a jackass.
Lebron was the best player in the RS, and 3/4 rounds of the postseason (the Boston series is debatable) for the Heat.
Aside from the Finals he was the best player in the league, and even so Wade was just as bad in the ECF if that's your reasoning for calling Bron a sidekick.

And 2016 Kyrie > 2012 Wade.

The Boston series isn't debateable. Wade was the best player in that series. Lebron was slightly better overall in the RS, Wade slightly better overall in the playoffs. Neither Lebron or Wade were sidekicks that season. That was about as close to true co-first options as you'll ever see (I called it 1a/1aa).

As for 2012 Wade vs 2016 Irving, Wade had the better overall season. Better numbers in the RS (raw and advanced), all-star and all-NBA, better defense, and comparable playoff production.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The Boston series isn't debateable. Wade was the best player in that series. Lebron was slightly better overall in the RS, Wade slightly better overall in the playoffs. Neither Lebron or Wade were sidekicks that season. That was about as close to true co-first options as you'll ever see (I called it 1a/1aa).

As for 2012 Wade vs 2016 Irving, Wade had the better overall season. Better numbers in the RS (raw and advanced), all-star and all-NBA, better defense, and comparable playoff production.

It was 1a and 1b. LeBron slightly in RS and Wade slightly in the Playoffs. I said that specifically to rile up the OP. But judging from Bankaii's response, at least I got one of these LeBron stans goats.

[ClipperRevival]

It's hard to rank Kyrie because Kobe/Wade brought an all-around, impactful game that Kyrie couldn't match but none of them were involved in a situation like Kyrie where they were pushed to the brink and had to go OFF like Kyrie in 3 straight elimination games AND hit the title clinching shot.

So all around performance, that's subjective. But sheer, put my foot down when it matters most and score when it's needed series, Kyrie is #1for me. His scoring in the finals can be compared to lead dogs, not limited to 2nd fiddles.

[SamuraiSWISH]

His scoring in the finals can be compared to lead dogs, not limited to 2nd fiddles.

Kobe and Wade were too.

[Smoke117]

been rewatching deadwood...and I don't swim in this shit.

Only a ****ing idiot (like op) who has no understanding of basketball thinks it's as easy as this.

[CTbasketball92]

Beginning in 2012, DWade stopped being all that reliable as a scorer at pivotal moments where they needed straight buckets and not really "all around play." I never got the sense that LeBron could legitimately take his foot off the gas and the Heat would still win. For that reason, I take 2016 Kyrie to play next to LeBron, though I definitely wouldn't necessarily do that in any other circumstance. We'll see how Ky does this year and I guess, revisit that.

2000-2002 Kobe is really interesting. On one hand, he was still such a great defender and scorer I'm not sure he starts off the first two games of the finals as poorly as Kyrie did. I feel like he could will his way to buckets more easily because he was an elite 6'6" athlete who would just straight up overwhelm Klay Thompson and the Warriors defense after a while. With that said, at that time, Kobe shot only about 37% on his jumpshots overall, and shot only about 42% on his midrange jumpers, where as Kyrie shoots like 50% on his midrange and 42% on his jumper overall. I think against GSW you need to be able to stick those tough midrange jumpers, and I don't really see any reason why Kobe would do any better than 6'10" prime KD did. Still, i my order would be

1.2001-2002 Kobe
2. 2016 Kyrie
3. 2012 Dwade

Edit: Basically, 2012 DWade is NOT torching that Warriors defense in the same way that Kyrie just did. At no point after 2011 did DWade showcase that ability.

[aj1987]

Edit: Basically, 2012 DWade is NOT torching that Warriors defense in the same way that Kyrie just did. At no point after 2011 did DWade showcase that ability.

2012 ECSF with PG guarding him. Miami was down 1-2 and Wade averaged 33/7/4/2/1 on 64% TS in 3 straight wins. Murdered the Pacers and their "verticality".

[lilandywiggins]

kyrie should be much higher tbbh...

Agreed. Otherwise the list looks right.

[CTbasketball92]

2012 ECSF with PG guarding him. Miami was down 1-2 and Wade averaged 33/7/4/2/1 on 64% TS in 3 straight wins. Murdered the Pacers and their "verticality".

Idk if PG was as good a defender then as he is now, but yeah, DWade balled tf out against the pacers. I just remember that he was somewhat pedestrian in the two series after that, whereas I think Kyrie would've kept it going. More consistent shooter.