Nash, JK, GP. Who's the better PG? Player?

[sbw19]

[COLOR=Teal]And who'd rather have on your team? I'm talking in their prime.

For me. It's..

1) Kidd: TD threat every game, great leader, doesn't shoot well, but proved he's clutch so many times in the playoffs and his rebounding/defense more than makes up for his poor shooting.
2) Payton: outstanding defender, very capable scorer, playmaker.
3) Nash: you know his story, lights out shooter, superlative playmaker, poor defender.

Your take?
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[Fudge]

Payton easily

[bleedinpurple]

[COLOR=Teal]And who'd rather have on your team? I'm talking in their prime.

For me. It's..

1) Kidd: TD threat every game, great leader, doesn't shoot well, but proved he's clutch so many times in the playoffs and his rebounding/defense more than makes up for his poor shooting.
2) Payton: outstanding defender, very capable scorer, playmaker.
3) Nash: you know his story, lights out shooter, superlative playmaker, poor defender.

Your take?
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same. two of the play great D. the other plays average D.

[Glove_20]

Payton is the best PG out of those 3
and the best Player out of those 3


Nash probably is the best "Pure" PG out of those 3




But without a doubt Payton is the best player of the 3

[XxNeXuSxX]

In prime, you have to take Payton as the best player. His defense far excelled Kidds, and blew away Nash. Scoring wise... not really close either.

Nash is the best "REAL" point guard, Payton was the best player, Kidd is inbetween both

[XxNeXuSxX]

Payton is the best PG out of those 3
and the best Player out of those 3


Nash probably is the best "Pure" PG out of those 3




But without a doubt Payton is the best player of the 3

Basically.

[Glove_20]

Yeah

There are basically 3 ways to compare PGs


Better "Pure" PG- Only PG skills. Pass/playmaking etc. Just doing EXACTLY what you would want your PG to do. Shooting high %s is also included. But its mostly just passing/playmaking ONLY.


Better Player- Passing/Playmaking has no extra weight. Scoring matters just as much and everything is the same


Better PG- Between the 2. Look at everything but passing/playmaking is weighted a little more...




Nash is the better "Pure" PG
Payton is the better Player
Payton is the better PG

[Zombles]

Payton easily.

Nash is an average defender and Kidd can't shoot.
They both have better pure PG skills than Gary.

doesn't matter though, Gary was an amazing defender, slowed Jordan down for an entire series, and scored 20 a game. He is obviously the best player.

[TheHonestTruth]

I can't believe this guy hasn't been banned permanantley yet

Take Payton's limp dick out of your mouth fool! Recognize the greatness of Steve Nash.

[Glove_20]

Take Payton's limp dick out of your mouth fool! Recognize the greatness of Steve Nash.

This is coming from the guy who says
"Nash is god" and means it...

You post in every thread saying "Nash is > ____" Or "Nash is ______"

And thats it, just 1 line things...

[XxNeXuSxX]

Take Payton's limp dick out of your mouth fool! Recognize the greatness of Steve Nash.

Ironic.

[Derek]

All 3 are good, but Payton is the best all around player. Payton could score by driving, mid-range jump shot, and kill you with the long ball. His defense was also insane. Keep in mind he won DPOY in '96 as a point guard. That award is usually dominated by the big guys.

Kidd is a great playmaker and an excellent defensive player, especially in rebounding at his height, but his jump shot is average at best.

Nash, like Kidd, is a great playmaker and makes his teammates better. His mid-range and 3 point jumpshot is almost automatic, but like Kidd's offense, Nash's defense is average at best.

To sum it up, Payton is the best overall of the 3 and if he was still 20 something, I'd definitely have him lead my team.

[Kblaze8855]

Totally depends on the team. They all at the tops of their games played on teams built just for their style.

On Paytons Sonics

1Payton
2Kidd
3nash

On Kidds Suns and Nets

1Kidd
2nash
3Payton


On Nashs Suns

1Nash
2Kidd
3Payton


As total players skill by skill Payton is #1. But would have a hard time stepping in for the others.

They are close in impact. Just comes down to what you need. If it has to be ranked as total players:

1. Payton
2. Kidd
3. Nash

As pointguards

Nash/Kidd about tied
Payton

Who id want to start a team not knowing what else id get? The kind of player I feel could fit in in any situation?

Kidd
Nash/Payton tied

I cant think of any situation id not want Kidd. I wouldnt want Nash if I had a horrible defensive backcourt and my "finishers" were more one on one types. I wouldnt want Payton if I had a ball dominating 2 guard. Id feel good about Kidd in any setting. He cant score like the other 2. But the team wont fail to get it done with him on the floor.

Building a team from scratch I take Kidd and feel pretty good about it. Any team I could come up with I think hed be great on. OR at least closest to his best. I think the situation you drop Kidd in has less effect on his play than the other 2.

[DeuceWallaces]

Wouldn't part of being a pure PG be playing some defense, like every once in a while?

In that regard Kidd is still a better pure PG, because he's just as good of a passer and leader as Nash, yet plays defense and rebounds.

[ExpatSunsFan]

I think you can argue Payton if you really try, because it's difficult to quantify defense. Payton wasn't a pure PG, but if your team's defense is good enough, it wouldn't matter.

I don't see Kidd at all, though. Kidd has basically proven he can't run an efficient offense, and he never came close to winning DPOY, either.