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Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Defenses and subequently offenses are different from 20 years ago.
The game is a 5 man game now. The removal of Illegal defense in 2001, gave defenses freedom to shutdown simplistic, 2 man offensive strategies of the 90's. The handcheck re-interpretation in 2005 caused man defenders to have to sag off more to stay in front of their opponent. This makes shooting easier, but driving to the lane harder, especially when you combine that with no illegal defense which usually means there will be a defender protecting the lane behind the man defender. It's to no surprise that shooting numbers have gone up.
25PPG average today, is the equivalent of 28-29 points in the 80's and 90's. Advanced team defenses today force offenses to have to pass, shoot, and use all 5 players on the court to score. This was the goal of the NBA and they suceeded in squashing the isolation, super star league. It is much harder to stand out as a star now, you need to be able to do everything. Pass, score, shoot, dribble, defend. And all in a variety of ways. Draymond Green, while not a star, is a high level player that is definitely product of the modern game. He would not get as much recognition in the 90's.
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
But then you can't discredit them because they worked with what they had at the time. If you took Wilt and gave him modern nutrition, physios, sports science, gameplans, support staff, shoes etc he would have been even better than he was back then talent wise.
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Not discrediting them
Simply bringing context to stats
It must be weighed in comparisons across eras
Individual stats are inflated in the 80's and 90's when compared to today
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
For instance
MJ's career average of 30 would be bumped down roughly 2-3 PPG to 27.5 PPG average in the modern era
Around Durant now
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Wilt Davis
Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
6/6 stat wasn't inflated doe.
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Vice versa as well
Lebrons career average of 27 would go up probably 2-3 PPG to 30 PPG career average in the 90's
depending on if you want to compare who to who.
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by GIF REACTION
For instance
MJ's career average of 30 would be bumped down roughly 2-3 PPG to 27.5 PPG average in the modern era
Around Durant now
Kobe from '96-'01: 18.5 PPG (45% FG)
Kobe from '06-'11: 29.1 PPG (46% FG)
Iverson from '96-'01: 26 PPG (43% FG)
Iverson from '02-'07: 29.4 PPG (42% FG)
League APG 2014-2015 (94 Pace): 22
League APG 1994-1995 (93 Pace): 23.4
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by GIF REACTION
Not discrediting them
Simply bringing context to stats
It must be weighed in comparisons across eras
Individual stats are inflated in the 80's and 90's when compared to today
My stance is it's hard to compare them in a direct head to head talent level way, like if you had to pick a team of players who can be time traveled to now some of them wouldn't make it. But i prefer to weigh impact and talent compared to their era when i do top 10s.
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by DonDadda59
Kobe from '96-'01: 18.5 PPG (45% FG)
Kobe from '06-'11: 29.1 PPG (46% FG)
Iverson from '96-'01: 26 PPG (43% FG)
Iverson from '02-'07: 29.4 PPG (42% FG)
League APG 2014-2015 (94 Pace): 22
League APG 1994-1995 (93 Pace): 23.4
Correlation does not equal Caucasian
Kobe just entered the league, was young, and was 2nd fiddle to Shaq
Iverson just entered the league, was young
Comparing early career to primes don
Stupid argument
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phal5
Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by DonDadda59
Kobe from '96-'01: 18.5 PPG (45% FG)
Kobe from '06-'11: 29.1 PPG (46% FG)
Iverson from '96-'01: 26 PPG (43% FG)
Iverson from '02-'07: 29.4 PPG (42% FG)
League APG 2014-2015 (94 Pace): 22
League APG 1994-1995 (93 Pace): 23.4
Kobe in 2001 averaged 29ppg.
Obviously he wasn't good enough/got the chance to be a consistent starter, on an already GOOD Laker team from 1996-1998/99.
Why do LeBron fans continuously use stats without their proper context?
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RIP P
Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
2015 league average:
TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 49.6
1991 league average:
TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 48.7
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by Young X
2015 league average:
TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 49.6
1991 league average
TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 48.7
This is about individuals
The game is a 5 man one now.
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by GIF REACTION
Correlation does not equal Caucasian
Kobe just entered the league, was young, and was 2nd fiddle to Shaq
Iverson just entered the league, was young
Comparing early career to primes don
Stupid argument
Jordan spent 3 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.
Jordan first 5 years in the 'illegal D' era: 32.6 PPG (51.3% FG) *Ages 21-25*
*2nd year included (18 games). Without that season- 33.2 PPG*
Iverson spent 2 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.
Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'illegal D era': 26.2 PPG (42.6% FG) *Age 21-25*
Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'GOAT defensive era': 29.9 PPG (41.7% FG) *Age 25-30*
Logic says if Jordan got to play in the clear out the lane, no touching era... his PPG goes up by 3-4.
FACTS ARE FACTS, SNITCH. STOP POSTING.
Last edited by DonDadda59; 08-24-2015 at 07:51 PM.
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Dunking on everybody in the park
Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by Marchesk
6/6 stat wasn't inflated doe.
It was indeed inflated
1. Pippen
2. Watered down expansion era division III level competition
3. Superstacked HOFer team
4. No sequel to Space Jam
5. Pippen/Rodman
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Re: Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context
Originally Posted by DonDadda59
Jordan spent 3 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.
Jordan first 5 years in the 'illegal D' era: 32.6 PPG (51.3% FG) *Ages 21-25*
*2nd year included (18 games). Without that season- 33.2 PPG*
Iverson spent 2 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.
Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'illegal D era': 26.2 PPG (42.6% FG) *Age 21-25*
Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'GOAT defensive era': 29.9 PPG (41.7% FG) *Age 25-30*
Logic says if Jordan got to play in the clear out the lane, no touching era... his PPG goes up by 3-4.
FACTS ARE FACTS, SNITCH. STOP POSTING.
Players grow differently and age at different rates
Correlation does not equal Caucasian
Outliers exist
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