Swap Kobe and MJ's careers

[Fire Colangelo]

Put Kobe on those 1990s Bulls teams and how far do they go? Assuming Kobe gets drafted to the Bulls as a 18 year old in 84. Assuming Kobe doesn't retire in 94 ala Jordan, would they 4 peat?


Put MJ on those Lakers teams with Shaq, how far do they go? Assuming MJ gets drafted to the Lakers as a 21 year old in 97.

Would MJ be able to co-exist with Shaq? Would they win more or less?

[guy]

Put Kobe on those 1990s Bulls teams and how far do they go? Assuming Kobe gets drafted to the Bulls as a 18 year old in 84. Assuming Kobe doesn't retire in 94 ala Jordan, would they 4 peat?


Put MJ on those Lakers teams with Shaq, how far do they go? Assuming MJ gets drafted to the Lakers as a 21 year old in 97.

Would MJ be able to co-exist with Shaq? Would they win more or less?

Assuming everything around them develops the same and they go through the same personal obstacles they had at the same age i.e. injuries, gambling, rape case, etc. Kobe wins 3-4 titles, and Jordan wins 9-11 titles.

Kobe wins in 91, 94, 96. Jordan wins from 98-04 and 09-10. They would overlap so it's a toss up between the Bulls and Lakers in 97, and 08 is a toss up between the Lakers and Celtics.

[3ball]

[COLOR="Blue"]According to Phil Jackson, MJ would win more...

He's explained many many many times in interviews and in his books that MJ was much better.. And he's explained it in very detailed terms... Here's a snippet:[/COLOR]


Phil Jackson:

"One of the biggest differences from my perspective was Michael's superior skills as a leader. Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence. Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones." ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofNka7qwOB4&t=0m10s

[ShawkFactory]

Does mike still retire twice?

[ClipperRevival]

MJ was clearly the better, more impactful player so we would have to assume that MJ wins more than 5 and Kobe wins less than 6. I honestly don't know if Kobe/Pip/Grant is enough to win. Kobe didn't possess MJ's maniacal D and ability to cover ground. So his teams would not have been as dynamic on D. Maybe he gets a couple from 1986 -1993. He wins nothing from 1996-1998 as Kobe's play declined considerably at age 33.

MJ and Shaq together? Come on. Mj would've found a way to corral Shaq in and they would've co-existed. They might've done something ridiculous like win 8 or something.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe would win 7 on those chicago teams

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Jordan and shaq would never be able to co exist.

Jordan demanded way too many shots at a young age. Shaq woulda thrown that bald **** off the team by 1999

[Beastmode88]

Kobe would win 7 on those chicago teams

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Jordan and shaq would never be able to co exist.

Jordan demanded way too many shots at a young age. Shaq woulda thrown that bald **** off the team by 1999

are you saying kobe is a beta sidekick?

[Fire Colangelo]

[COLOR="Blue"]According to Phil Jackson, MJ would win more...

He's explained many many many times in interviews and in his books that MJ was much better.. And he's explained it in very detailed terms... Here's a snippet:[/COLOR]


Phil Jackson:

"One of the biggest differences from my perspective was Michael's superior skills as a leader. Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence. Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones." ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofNka7qwOB4&t=0m10s

MJ is undoubtedly the better player, but would he be able to coexist with Shaq? If so how well/how long?

[ekosky]

MJ: 7 championships
Kobe: 2 at most, realistically, probably only 1.

[Nastradamus]

Kobe would have a higher TS%(era and Kobe played both Pippen and MJ's roles in terms of scoring and initiating in the triangle) and the Bulls the same amount of rings. MJ is the better player, mostly due to defense, but those Bulls teams were so stacked.

[Fire Colangelo]

MJ was clearly the better, more impactful player so we would have to assume that MJ wins more than 5 and Kobe wins less than 6. I honestly don't know if Kobe/Pip/Grant is enough to win. Kobe didn't possess MJ's maniacal D and ability to cover ground. So his teams would not have been as dynamic on D. Maybe he gets a couple from 1986 -1993. He wins nothing from 1996-1998 as Kobe's play declined considerably at age 33.

MJ and Shaq together? Come on. Mj would've found a way to corral Shaq in and they would've co-existed. They might've done something ridiculous like win 8 or something.

Actually, in this hypothetical Kobe would be 29 years old in the peak of his career during the 1996 season. Not to mention we're assuming he does retire in 94 and 95, which would be the equilavant of his 06 and 07 season respectively.

Also, what makes you think MJ would've found a way to "corral" Shaq?

[kennethgriffin]

are you saying kobe is a beta sidekick?

kobes just better at balancing his averages to please others... jordan couldnt even bare to be 2nd in the league for ppg due to his insecurities. he sure as hell wouldnt settle for 2nd in ppg on his own team. even if he had 28 or 29ppg like kobe in the 2001 season/playoffs



jordan was lucky to have nothing but dudes who wanted to suck his c*ck


if he had another alpha on the team it woulda blown up and the team would go down the toilet

[tpols]

MJ stans:

MJ dominates with shaq, wins 7+ titles


Reality:

MJ could never take even the thought of losing a FMVP and status as alpha to another man .. the problem here isn't that shaq > MJ.. the problem is that shaq had a massive advantage at the C spot in each and every Finals series in which he won FMVP. While the guard competition was actually top notch.. a complete reversal from what was seen in the western conference.


MJ stans:

Kobe couldn't lead a team like MJ could, and provide toughness mike did to win 6 titles in the 90s


Reality:

Michael Jordan had some of the most stacked help of all time in an expansion era.. He essentially had what Lebron on the Heat had.. atg second option playing a bunch of 2010 era Indiana pacer-esque squads who were very short on talent and tried to overcome it with bully ball.. which ultimately fails in the end because refs can bring it to a halt.. and refs of course can be persuaded to tilt a certain way by the guys at the top, controlling the money, the direction of the league etc

It very likely would've been much of the same results minus maybe one ring or so.

[andgar923]

Kobe doesn't win a single thing.

[BIG FURB]

MJ's addicted to winning people. Him playing with Shaq is like being allowed to stack the deck in cards, he's gonna love that shit. You really think he's gonna let some petty ego trip get in the way of him winning titles? Ya getting it confused people, Kobe's a wannabe MJ, MJ's not a wannabe kobe, he don't have kobe's flaws