Is the league conspiring to stack the Cavs' roster (again)?

[3ball]

I'll punch you in the face when LeBron wins his 3rd NBA title next year.

it's funny, because it's like - before the Cavs and Lebron choke/underachieve again, will they get our hopes up by winning 66 and 62 games like they did in 2009 and 2010?

I still don't understand how a team wins so many games in the regular season and gets the number 1 seed, but then gets destroyed in the playoffs -

it's like, you won in the regular season, why not in the playoffs?

[Lebron23]

it's funny, because it's like - before the Cavs and Lebron choke/underachieve again, will they get our hopes up by winning 66 and 62 games like they did in 2009 and 2010?

I still don't understand how a team wins so many games in the regular season and gets the number 1 seed, but then gets destroyed in the playoffs -

it's like, you won in the regular season, why not in the playoffs?

Playoffs are a different ball game. Lebron played well in the 2009 and 2010 NBA Playoffs. His 2nd scoring option Mo Williams disappeared.

[Heavincent]

Lebron23 vs 3ball?

ahem....

[poido123]

Cavaliers also added Mo Williams, and Richard Jefferson. If Duncan regressed next year. I don't see them advancing in the NBA Finals. Outside of Kawhi and Aldridge. Parker and Manu needs to contribute.

Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson? Does that somehow compare to west and Aldridge? Not even close.


You will see. Spurs to make lebron their personal jizz rag as Silk would say

[FKAri]

(long azz post with bolded font and colors)

tldr

[3ball]

Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson? Does that somehow compare to west and Aldridge? Not even close.


You will see. Spurs to make lebron their personal jizz rag as Silk would say

is that all they added.. i thought they added joe johnson too (although he's just a floor-spreader at this point too)

[Lebron23]

Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson? Does that somehow compare to west and Aldridge? Not even close.


You will see. Spurs to make lebron their personal jizz rag as Silk would say

Let's see in the playoffs.

[BigTicket]

Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson? Does that somehow compare to west and Aldridge? Not even close.


You will see. Spurs to make lebron their personal jizz rag as Silk would say

Aren't you supposed to be a Bulls fan ?

By saying the Spurs will beat the Cavs, you are also saying the Cavs will make the finals, meaning they will beat your Bulls ?

[3ball]

Playoffs are a different ball game. Lebron played well in the 2009 and 2010 NBA Playoffs. His 2nd scoring option Mo Williams disappeared.

Against Orlando in 2009, Boston in 2010, and virtually all Lebron's Finals (except 2012) - in all these series, Lebron's opponent had the better strategy and played the better brand of basketball.

It was truly remarkable to watch dumb Dwight and Orlando be the smarter team than Lebron's team..

But that was just the beginning of a common trend.. Lebron's teams aren't smart teams, and don't play a good brand of basketball, so his supporting cast underperforms and he loses at the highest levels.

[Cocaine80s]

Aren't you supposed to be a Bulls fan ?

By saying the Spurs will beat the Cavs, you are also saying the Cavs will make the finals, meaning they will beat your Bulls ?

Lol he gave up on his bulls, shouldve seen his thread a few weeks after the Bulls lost

[poido123]

Aren't you supposed to be a Bulls fan ?

By saying the Spurs will beat the Cavs, you are also saying the Cavs will make the finals, meaning they will beat your Bulls ?

I suppose the fans of the 76ers should avoid logic by proclaiming a title contender like spurs a likely chance of winning instead of their own team?

Use your head

I love the bulls, always will. But they are not in position to win the title this year barring big trades. Doesn't mean I love them any less or jump ship like our mate Cocaine80s who jumps to wherever lebron goes.

[dunksby]

3ball is just another everyday LeBron hater, as credible as Kenneth.

[LAZERUSS]

Lebron is drafted by a 17-65 team. Immediately DOUBLES their wins in his first season. In his third season they go 50-32. In his 4th season, he took a team with Larry Hughes as his second best player to the Finals, the first ever for the franchise.

By age 24 he took a roster with Mo Williams as his second best player to a 66-16 record, and then at 25, to a 61-21 record.

Lebron leaves the Cavs to join the 47-35 Heat, who were first round cannon-fodder in '09-10. The Cavs fall to 19-63, while Lebron immediately takes the Heat to a 58-24 record, and a trip to the Finals. Overall, to FOUR Finals in FOUR seasons, with TWO rings, and a team record season of 66-16.

Lebron leaves the Heat to join the 33-49 Cavs. The Heat plummet to a 37-45 record, while Lebron leads the Cavs to a 53-29 record, and a trip to the Finals, where he carries a team with his second best player is JR Smith and his 12-4-1 .326 series, to TWO wins over a 67-15 Warrior team, and two more close losses.

THAT is the "Lebron Effect" my friend.

[LAZERUSS]

Jordan joins to a 27-55 team...and can only get them to 38-44 in his rookie season. And in the first round of the playoffs, he is badly outplayed by Sidney Mongrief in a 3-1 series loss. In the clinching loss he shoots 6-16 from the field.

In MJ's second season, his Bulls are swept in the first round. In the clinching loss, he puts up 19 points on 8-18 shooting.

In MJ's third season, he leads the league in scoring, but his team can only go 40-42. His Bulls are swept in the first round again, and in the clinching loss, Jordan shoots a horrific 9-30 from the field. And overall, he shoots .417 in the series. Oh, and his second best player, Charles Oakley, hangs a 20-15 series, and they still can't win a game.

In his 87-88 season, the Bulls add Grant and Pippen, and the results are immediate...a 50-32 record. But, when MJ faces the Bad Boys, as would be the case all four years in a row against them...an offensive decline. In the regular season, he puts up a 35 ppg .535 year. Against the Bad Boys... 27 ppg on a .491. His Bulls are blown-out by Detroit, 4-1, and in the clinching loss, he hangs a 25 point game on 10-22 shooting.

In the '88-89 post-season, Jordan again declines against the Bad Boys. His scoring drops from 32.5 ppg down to 29.7 ppg, and his FG% drops like a lead balloon from .538 down to .460. With the series tied, 2-2, MJ QUITS on his team in game five (taking EIGHT shots), and the result...a 4-2 series loss to the Pistons.

In '89-90, the Bulls have now amassed as much talent as the 59-23 Pistons, and go 55-27. Jordan has Pippen with his 17-7-5 .489; Grant with his 13-8 .523; Cartwright with his 11-7 .488; and Paxson with his 10-4 .516. Their bench is also improved with King, Hodges, Armstrong, and Perdue. BUT, with MJ shooting .467 in the series (down from his regular season .526), the Bulls again are knocked off in a game seven.

How did the Bulls FINALLY get over the hump? In the 90-91 ECF's, while MJ's numbers decline against the crumbling 50-32 Pistons...Pippen puts up a 22-8-5-3-2 series; Grant puts up a 14-8 .690 series; and Cartwright puts up a 10-5 .591 series, while the Bulls bench outplays Detroit's...in a 4-0 sweep. Then in the Finals, and against a shell of "Showtime" Jordan's cast of "scrubs" as 3ball would call them, wipe the floor with Magic's declining and injury-riddled cast. Pippen hangs a 21-9-7 series, while Grant pummels the Laker front line with a 15-8 .627 series.

How good was Jordan's surrounding cast from that '91 season, on? MJ quits after the '93 season. The Bulls scramble to find replacements, and wind up starting Pete Myers in his place. They decline all the way from a 57-25 record, down to a 55-27 record. Oh, and Pippen and Grant collectively miss 22 games. Think about that. Had Pippen and Grant been healthy all season, and the Bulls likely win 60+ games. Which would have been HUGE. Why? Because they would have had HCA. As it was, they would lose a close seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks. BUT, they won ALL THREE games at home (and lost another by ONE POINT in NY.) The Knicks go on to lose a seventh game to the 58-24 Rockets by four points, in a series in which they outscored Houston.

Horace Grant leaves that Chicago team (and immediately takes a 50-32 Magic team to a 60-22 record BTW.) So now Pippen, without BOTH Jordan and Grant...somehow takes the Bulls to a 34-31 record. Jordan, seeing that he could sneak in another ring with rushes back to play the last 17 games. The Bulls go 13-4 in those 17 games, BUT, had Grant played, and based on his impact with the '94 Bulls, they would have gone 12-5 with HIM.

So, Jordan is basically joining a 55-27 team, that has added 20 ppg scorer in Ron Harper, and replacing Grant...and guess what? His impact is even LESS than what the '94 Bulls had withOUT him. They are beaten in the ECSF's 4-2, by a team that would get swept in the Finals by the 47-35 Rockets. Oh, and in the series clinching loss, Jordan once again let's his team down, with a 24 point game, on 8-19 shooting (meanwhile Pippen hangs a 26-12-6 8-15 game in the loss.)

The Bulls realize that they have no hope for winning a title without an elite PF, so they ADD HOFer Rodman. Think about this...with Rodman replacing Grant, the Bulls added not only Jordan, but Harper, to a team that had gone 55-27 withOUT MJ. Is it any wonder that they would go on to a three-peat with THAT roster? BTW, that roster is so overwhelming, that they easily win three straight Finals, all with Jordan shooting .455, .427, and a horrific .415!

[JohnMax]

Start of the season: "Cavs/Heat are stacked, got the next 5 titles on lock. RIP NBA".

End of the season after another Lechoke loss: "Lebron needs more help, his teammates are a bunch of d-leaguers, no one could win with that roster".