Bball-reference's MVP share gives a good all time ranking

[Derivative]

-Asides from Karl Malone at 8th rest of the list looks pretty accurate

-Consensus states that MJ should of received 8 MVPs(89, 90, 97), and on this list it shows MJ has 8.13 MVP shares, which is also accurate.

-Larry Bird's greatness is reflected through this meassure

-Lebron James is already top 5 all time purely on his talent and dominance, and this list recognizes that

-Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are very close, both have roughly 4 MVP shares, this is consistent with popular opinion.

[noob cake]

-Asides from Karl Malone at 8th rest of the list looks pretty accurate

-Consensus states that MJ should of received 8 MVPs(89, 90, 97), and on this list it shows MJ has 8.13 MVP shares, which is also accurate.

-Larry Bird's greatness is reflected through this meassure

-Lebron James is already top 5 all time purely on his talent and dominance, and this list recognizes that

-Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are very close, both have roughly 4 MVP shares, this is consistent with popular opinion.

Stealth Kobestan argument within. No one thinks that Kobe's 1 MVP should really be 4. He is helped by longevity, just like Malone.

[jlip]

I have no idea how MVP shares work, but how does Bill Russell have fewer MVP shares (4.827) than actual MVPs (5)?

[kNicKz]

I have no idea how MVP shares work, but how does Bill Russell have fewer MVP shares (4.827) than actual MVPs (5)?

It's an award voted on by Skip Bayless

[SamuraiSWISH]

I have no idea how MVP shares work, but how does Bill Russell have fewer MVP shares (4.827) than actual MVPs (5)?

Maybe because players like Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Sam Jones were on his teams? Otherwise, pretty solid list IMO. With the exception of Karl Malone.

[Trollsmasher]

I have no idea how MVP shares work, but how does Bill Russell have fewer MVP shares (4.827) than actual MVPs (5)?

1 full point is for an unanimous decision. LeBron this year for example had 0,998.

[TheReturn]

Lebron should be surpassing MJ..

[I<3NBA]

goddamn. MJ is so far ahead he has 2 full points ahead of KAJ

[Marchesk]

Replace Malone with Magic and that's a pretty good list.

[gts]

I have no idea how MVP shares work, but how does Bill Russell have fewer MVP shares (4.827) than actual MVPs (5)?

Because the voting changed from the players to the media in 1980-81 season

example in, 1980 there were 221 voters total, the following year after the change there were 69 total voters.

in 1980 votes were only cast for a single player, they didn't vote for a who's second and 3rd best on the ballot, it was strictly who is the mvp, in 1981 the media added 2nd and 3rd place votes. that's why in 1980 there were only 9 players receiving votes but the following year roughly 30 players received a vote on some level.

So you can't easily compare the eras using the chart posted because the format changed so radically.

[jlip]

I have no idea how MVP shares work, but how does Bill Russell have fewer MVP shares (4.827) than actual MVPs (5)?

Because the voting changed from the players to the media in 1980-81 season

example in, 1980 there were 221 voters total, the following year after the change there were 69 total voters.

in 1980 votes were only cast for a single player, they didn't vote for a who's second and 3rd best on the ballot, it was strictly who is the mvp, in 1981 the media added 2nd and 3rd place votes. that's why in 1980 there were only 9 players receiving votes but the following year roughly 30 players received a vote on some level.

So you can't easily compare the eras using the chart posted because the format changed so radically.

What does it mean to win multiple MVPs?

Russell: I've got a distorted view of the MVP, and I'll tell you why. When I was a player, all the MVPs I won were voted by the players. I was voted MVP by my contemporaries. I'm very proud of the fact that when I won MVP, it was always voted by my competition. You could not vote for your own teammate. I got that five times, and I appreciate that.


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[Myth]

Replace Malone with Magic and that's a pretty good list.

Magic is already on that list. Replace Malone with Hakeem and it is a solid list.

[Odinn]

Actually it's not that bad. But you should put more weight to 1st place votes. When Kareem winning his mvps, there was no share as for 2nd and 3rd places in the voting system. If you're mvp imo, you'll get my vote and that's it. There was no 2nd mvp.


I didn't calculate the number of available 1st place votes during their career but here is the list;

1. Kareem - 762
2. Jordan - 531
3. LeBron - 451
4. Wilt - 345
5. Russell - 289
6. Bird - 271
7. Moses - 236
8. Shaq - 220
9. Garnett - 178
10. Magic - 169
11. Duncan - 166
12. West - 146
13. Oscar - 139
13. Pettit - 139
15. Kobe - 120

Number of MVPs, and its story. Also mvp shares and 1st place votes. Now that's a good way to make an adjustment. All alone, they mean nothing.

[gts]

Another problem with ranking by number of first place votes received is is the number of media members that vote fluctuates, this past season 120 media members voted

In 1995 113 voted

In 1989, 70


So Lebron on paper looks like he's closing the gap on Jordan and has bypassed Magic but in truth he's doing so only because there's more voters casting votes

[Marchesk]

Magic is already on that list. Replace Malone with Hakeem and it is a solid list.

Oh, whoops. I didn't see his name for some reason. Hakeem works.