Am I the one of the few who think Kobe deserved the MVP over CP3?

[Nashty]

Shaq years(not counting first two Kobe's seasons because he wasn't a starter)
With Kobe: 285-126 (.693)
Without Kobe: 33-16 (.673)

With Shaq: 292-110 (.726)
Without Shaq: 26-32 (.448)

Middle 3 years
With Kobe: 112-111 (.502)
Without Kobe: 9-14 (.391)

With Odom: 106-94 (.530)
Without Odom: 15-31 (.326)

Gasol years
With Kobe: 308-147 (.677)
Without Kobe: 14-7 (.667)

With Gasol: 257-112 (.696)
Without Gasol: 35-26 (.574)

It's pretty obvious that Kobe was never the MVP of the Lakers

There is a difference between best individual player and most valuable player

[longtime lurker]

Paul was definitely better than Kobe that year and did more with less. Kobe had a far superior supporting cast and won just one more game.

Paul: 21/4/12 on 49 FG% and a 28.3 PER
Kobe: 28/6/5 on 46 FG% and a 24.2 PER

Paul was clearly the better player and had much more of an impact on his team. If Kobe was on that Hornets team, no way they'd have won 56 games.

Remind me who's team made the finals again?

[Kblaze8855]

Kobe's 35 PPG was historic in the new modern era. Everyone needs to start to come to grips with it.

Let me know the next time a player averages 40 ppg over a month, 35 ppg over a season, and their team still makes the playoffs and threatens a series win over a far superior team.

Let me know when 40ppg means anything. Our numbers system being based on multiples of ten doesnt mean 40 is a lot more impressive than...37(Melo)...or 36/7/5(Tmac), or 34/8(Iverson...for 2 months) or 34/12 and 36/14 for 2 months....

Lets not act like it was some brave new worls of basketball playing,. It was a great scorer taking a lot of shots. He took 29 or more shots 32 times that year. Durant? 8 times in his career. And in those games he averages...40.25 points. Kobe took 29.6 a game in his 40ppg month.

Durant is less impressive because he never took 45 shots? Or 49?

Kobe is impressive for the skills that allow him to simply turn it on and off like that on command. But the totals themselves? He was asked to do it and others were not.

I strongly suspect that Kevin Durant taking 32, 41, 38, and 29 shots in a row results in some nasty totals.

It wouldnt make him any better.

It would just mean he took a gang of shots.

[2010splash]

Remind me who's team made the finals again?

That is not relevant to this discussion since the MVP is an award based on regular season play.

You honestly think Kobe could have led that Hornets team to a near identical record to that stacked Lakers team with Ariza/Gasol/Odom/Bynum/GOAT coach?

[Thechosen1]

there is no way anyone deserved it more than cp3 that year

he actually deserved it more the next year though

[dh144498]

Shaq years(not counting first two Kobe's seasons because he wasn't a starter)
With Kobe: 285-126 (.693)
Without Kobe: 33-16 (.673)

With Shaq: 292-110 (.726)
Without Shaq: 26-32 (.448)

Middle 3 years
With Kobe: 112-111 (.502)
Without Kobe: 9-14 (.391)

With Odom: 106-94 (.530)
Without Odom: 15-31 (.326)

Gasol years
With Kobe: 308-147 (.677)
Without Kobe: 14-7 (.667)

With Gasol: 257-112 (.696)
Without Gasol: 35-26 (.574)

It's pretty obvious that Kobe was never the MVP of the Lakers

There is a difference between best individual player and most valuable player

this dude really insinuating that Odom was more valuable than Kobe.

[Nashty]

this dude really insinuating that Odom was more valuable than Kobe.

This is not my insinuation, this is the truth, just look at the stats, it's pretty clear with whom they played better and without who they played worse.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This is not my insinuation, this is the truth, just look at the stats, it's pretty clear with whom they played better and without who they played worse.

[FKAri]

relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDX4a5pCWbg

I remember this from 08.

[TheBigVeto]

A lot of people say CP3 was robbed of his MVP in 2008 and that Kobe didn't deserve it, as much as I hate Kobe, I believe Kobe really deserved that MVP over CP3.

First of all, Kobe was a better player in 2008 than CP3. CP3 was rising to superstardom, but Kobe was still in the last year of his prime, and had outplayed CP3 in head to head matchups.

Secondly, Kobe's team was not more superior to CP3's team. Kobe's team comprised mainly of Odom and Gasol whom the Lakers received in midseason, and they still won more game than the Hornets who had prime David West, Tyson Chandler, and Peja.

Third, Kobe played outstanding bball that year. His best year IMO. He learned to trust his teammates, play within his limits, and played efficiently while providing good defense. It was the last year in the NBA where he was still the best before being surpassed by Lerbron in 2009.

You are wrong. Kobe didn't deserve that award.
/thread

[TheMarkMadsen]

I wouldnt say Paul was robbed. Jordan was robbed in 97. 69 wins, best player in the league, and all that?

Paul was the MVP....but not by a mile. It was pretty even.

Kobe never had one of those years that just screamed MVP. Numbers on a bad team like tmac or good but not crazy numbers on a team that would have been solid without him. He never like...drug a shitty team to crazy wins or did "My god..." numbers on a good team.

Compared to all the swingman MVPs? Jordans 5, Lebrons 4, Birds 3, and Docs 1?

Kobes 08 season probably comes in 13th...

If you throw in all guards period?

Add Magics 3, Oscars 1, Rose, AI and Nash?

18th or 19 best of like...21?

Kobe never had that magical season...unless PPG is magical no matter the results.

Which some people think. Which is fine. It was...special. I came home shocked by some of those 06 and 07 totals. But he wouldnt win any of the last 30 MVPs with those seasons.

Kobe is a better player than his MVP worthiness suggests. But fact remains...hes not had many strong cases to be MVP. I think he was like...3rd, then won, and was second a mile behind Bron...then maybe 5th?

It rarely all came together for Kobe MVP wise.

2000-2001 Lakers minus Kobe
1 Shaquille O'Neal
3 Horace Grant
4 Robert Horry
5 Rick Fox
6 Derek Fisher
7 Brian Shaw
8 Ron Harper
9 Greg Foster
10 Chuck Person
11 Tyronn Lue
12 Devean George
13 Isaiah Rider
14 Mark Madsen
15 Stanislav Medvedenko
16 Mike Penberthy
17 Sam Jacobson

I don't know how "solid" that team would have been

Not sure how far a duo of Shaq & Fisher would have gotten them

[daily]

Re: Am I the one of the few who think Kobe deserved the MVP over CP3?

No the voters thought so too

[Heavincent]

Did people forget that Kobe was playing on a crappy team for the first half of the season and still had them in great position?

[Nashty]

2000-2001 Lakers minus Kobe
1 Shaquille O'Neal
3 Horace Grant
4 Robert Horry
5 Rick Fox
6 Derek Fisher
7 Brian Shaw
8 Ron Harper
9 Greg Foster
10 Chuck Person
11 Tyronn Lue
12 Devean George
13 Isaiah Rider
14 Mark Madsen
15 Stanislav Medvedenko
16 Mike Penberthy
17 Sam Jacobson

I don't know how "solid" that team would have been

Not sure how far a duo of Shaq & Fisher would have gotten them

They were 11-3 without Kobe in the lineup that season, 6 wins were against .500+ teams

No Kobe, no problem

[TheMarkMadsen]

They were 11-3 without Kobe in the lineup that season, 6 wins were against .500+ teams

No Kobe, no problem

yeah they would have rolled through the playoffs

The HEAT were 5-1 without Lebron this year

No Lebron no problem right..?