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Old 10-20-2014, 03:34 AM   #121
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Why do people still make these threads? LeBron had no case for MVP in 2011. If you're going to complain, at least do it with a little historical accuracy and talk about Howard maybe even deserving it, and even that's a debatable point. Calling it a "travesty" though is straight up trolling.
People still make threads like this but this one is from last year and was bumped by an insecure bored with nothing more going on in his life branstan. I am sure there are a lot of those. You better believe they will troll Durant for the rest of his career because he is another one that won 1 over him. Rose was easily the best player on the team that had the best regular season, but they still lose sleep over it
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:14 AM   #122
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Durant's MVP was even bigger travesty. But on the bright side players who have stolen the MVP from the King tend to get injured with crippling injuries. Karma's a bitch.
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:23 AM   #123
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They don't present a huge argument at all.

They were on a road trip against 6 teams that beat them at home WITH Dirk! Plus they lost their number 2 scorer to further unbalance the team. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't go through major problems without their top two scorers on the road. Its a joke to bring it up.

You have to at least get one first place vote to really be considered. If you don't get one vote then you have to chalk it up to just not knowing how the system works. Rose had over 110 first place votes and nobody else got five. Most people here on this board knew it. The only travesty is that literate fans don't know how it works. Different if it was close like most years - but it wasn't.

Why do you think Rose is always brought up, then?

Mavericks played without Butler nearly their entire season... That would only make Dirk's case bigger.

BTW, stop over exceggerating their opponents you damn liar.

They lost to the Raptors at HOME, Spurs at HOME, the damn Bucks, beat the Cavaliers, beat the Blazers at HOME, lost to the Thunder at HOME, Magic at HOME, Pacers, Spurs....

5 Home games and 4 Road games.

Then lost with getting-in-shape Dirk at Memphis AND Detroit, even though Dirk dropped 32 on 59%....Loss. Had 2 more nights shooting in the 30's, just further proving he wasn't all there yet.

The simple fact that a healthy Dirk owned the best record in the league is a big argument, you know it and you hate it.

So you don't really know shit. You know which people about this? Trolls.

And why bring up "beat them at home WITH DIRK" Wtf is that supposed to prove? This is Basketball, dude... Just last year OKC whopped Heat in Miami, then Miami whopped OKC in Oklahoma.. A 2-game sample doesn't present an argument. You would have someting if teams play each other ten times a year and they won all games with Dirk. But one different game? Funny.

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Old 10-20-2014, 11:04 AM   #124
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^^^ case in point


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Old 10-20-2014, 12:53 PM   #125
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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It wasnt. Rose was the best player on the best team.

He wasnt a top 5 player though, but it happens.
So, Tony Parker should have won the 2014 MVP, not Durant, right?
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:18 PM   #126
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Rose improved tremendously that year, was a consummate teammate, and he took over and won games in the end that the Bulls should have lost. With that said, 22 year old 3rd year players aren't supposed to be winning MVP. That said more about the state of the league at the time than it did Rose. Any star could have taken it that year if they had performed to expectations.

If Lebron hadn't lead his team to multiple losing streaks with teammates crying in the lockerroom, getting beat by the elite teams, while constantly faltering in the clutch the whole season maybe he could have been MVP.

If Dirk hadn't gone down with injury and the Mavs didn't cave down the stretch perhaps he could have been MVP.

If Dwight Howard showed up in 4th qtrs and lead his teams to wins instead of disappearing all the time and for once put up an entire season of dominance (like he did in February of that season) maybe he could have been MVP.

Kobe's Lakers also went on multiple losing streaks throughout the season and finished weak.

So when it was all said and done, all of the "vets" f***ed up or had some kind of misfortune and rolled out the red carpet to Rose who's team was missing key players throughout the season but still hadn't lost more than 2 games in a row, constantly beat all of the elite teams in the league with Rose putting up great performances on nationally televised games. Don't blame Rose for taking advantage of a weak era.
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:54 PM   #127
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Why do you think Rose is always brought up, then?
if Rose says he doesn't recruit players this board lights up. Haters gonna hate. That's what you do. Why are you asking me to explain your existence?

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Mavericks played without Butler nearly their entire season... That would only make Dirk's case bigger.
There first has to be a case. 22 and 7 is a case for an all second team.
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Am I a liar or are you illiterate. I just said they beat Dallas with Dirk. My bad that Dallas lost to the Bucks and Raptors with Dirk. Sorry no matter what you think most teams were going to lose to OKC, SAS twice, Memphis on the road, and Orlando when fresh off of losing their top two scorers. It's not rocket science. By the time they could adjust any the schedule got tougher.

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Then lost with getting-in-shape Dirk at Memphis AND Detroit, even though Dirk dropped 32 on 59%....Loss. Had 2 more nights shooting in the 30's, just further proving he wasn't all there yet.

Oh right, more violins!!!

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So you don't really know shit. You know which people about this? Trolls.
Are you like a fuzzy troll with real big eyes???
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And why bring up "beat them at home WITH DIRK" Wtf is that supposed to prove? This is Basketball, dude... Just last year OKC whopped Heat in Miami, then Miami whopped OKC in Oklahoma.. A 2-game sample doesn't present an argument. You would have someting if teams play each other ten times a year and they won all games with Dirk. But one different game? Funny.
Ugh I brought that up to highlight the fact that Dallas had trouble with those teams With Dirk. The team was built around Dirk and would have trouble adapting without him on a minutes notice and then they lost their second option. So they are down to their third option playing teams that beat them with the first option.

It's not that hard of concept to understand. Unless hater ism overwhelms you
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:58 PM   #128
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Rose improved tremendously that year, was a consummate teammate, and he took over and won games in the end that the Bulls should have lost. With that said, 22 year old 3rd year players aren't supposed to be winning MVP. That said more about the state of the league at the time than it did Rose. Any star could have taken it that year if they had performed to expectations.

If Lebron hadn't lead his team to multiple losing streaks with teammates crying in the lockerroom, getting beat by the elite teams, while constantly faltering in the clutch the whole season maybe he could have been MVP.

If Dirk hadn't gone down with injury and the Mavs didn't cave down the stretch perhaps he could have been MVP.

If Dwight Howard showed up in 4th qtrs and lead his teams to wins instead of disappearing all the time and for once put up an entire season of dominance (like he did in February of that season) maybe he could have been MVP.

Kobe's Lakers also went on multiple losing streaks throughout the season and finished weak.

So when it was all said and done, all of the "vets" f***ed up or had some kind of misfortune and rolled out the red carpet to Rose who's team was missing key players throughout the season but still hadn't lost more than 2 games in a row, constantly beat all of the elite teams in the league with Rose putting up great performances on nationally televised games. Don't blame Rose for taking advantage of a weak era.


This.


People are not taking anything with context here.

I mean Rose was in the perfect MVP scenario for the year. And like you said, he did it in primetime when everyone was watching. Remember folks, this is a Regular Season award. And Rose was the best case.

Beat the Heat three times and played well in each. Remember the duel against Wade in Chicago.

Beat the Spurs the night before ASG week on national TV and dropped 40+.

Beat the Magic during the end of the year on national TV when Dwight got himself foolishly suspended.

Beat the Knicks in MSG with some crazy dunks in the game.

Beat the Mavs at home in a primetime game as well.

I mean the chips fell into place for Rose and he was peaking at the tight time. I believe the Bulls were hovering around .500 until mid December. Then, like he did much of the season, he played a great game on national TV and beat Kobe in Chicago with some crazy shots in the game.

Rose MVP makes sense in the year it came in.

Case closed.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:54 PM   #129
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^^^ case in point


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This is more about me letting people know how close it was and that Dirk deserved it aswell

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Old 10-20-2014, 05:59 PM   #130
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Rose was the 6th best player in 2011

Dwight, LeBron, Wade, Kobe, and Dirk were better basketball players. We get it.

But in terms of context for the award, Derrick had the best case for it. LeBron / Wade put up near identitcal numbers. Dwight didn't lead his team to as many wins, Kobe was showing age, and Dirk was injured.

What's so blasphemous about Derrick's 2011 MVP? He took a team of defensive scrubs to 62 wins putting up 25 ppg 8 apg for a team that missed 2 of their other 3 best players for most of the season. He was literally their only option offensively to score, or create. He outperformed everyone else against the league's best teams.

Prime LeBron, and Wade ... featuring prime Bosh couldn't even muster up 60+ wins. That's IMPRESSIVE.
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Rose was the 6th best player in 2011

Dwight, LeBron, Wade, Kobe, and Dirk were better basketball players. We get it.

But in terms of context for the award, Derrick had the best case for it.
LeBron / Wade put up near identitcal numbers. Dwight didn't lead his team to as many wins, Kobe was showing age, and Dirk was injured.

What's so blasphemous about Derrick's 2011 MVP? He took a team of defensive scrubs to 62 wins putting up 25 ppg 8 apg for a team that missed 2 of their other 3 best players for most of the season. He was literally their only option offensively to score, or create. He outperformed everyone else against the league's best teams.

Prime LeBron, and Wade ... featuring prime Bosh couldn't even muster up 60+ wins. That's IMPRESSIVE.

No he didn't. The Bulls won primarily with defense and he had one of the lowest impacts on the team in regards to that. You can't be the MVP of the league when you aren't even important as far as the teams identity and what makes the team so good.
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No he didn't. The Bulls won primarily with defense and he had one of the lowest impacts on the team in regards to that. You can't be the MVP of the league when you aren't even important as far as the teams identity and what makes the team so good.

this guy says the only player that season to be in the top 10 of points and assists didn't have any impact

please repeat yourself so that i can laugh at you again
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this guy says the only player that season to be in the top 10 of points and assists didn't have any impact

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Rose deserved it more than Steve Nash's MVPs.
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

the only travesty is people who weren't watching the league closely enough saying somebody like Dwight Howard should've won it (who's team record FELL from the season prior). Still stand by my posts when this thread was created... Rose was sick that season

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-- Michael Jordan on Derrick Rose

"Chicago's Derrick Rose is clearly the MVP in my mind. I've had the opportunity to watch him play every night and I'm very high on the way he's developed as a leader. Now, his team is playing towards a 60-win season. He's been spectacular."
-- Scottie Pippen on Derrick Rose

"Derrick has been tremendous down the stretch of games. What separates him from the other contenders for MVP is when you look at the Bulls' overall success. His winning attitude has become contagious. He's made great strides defensively, giving the same effort on that end of the floor as he does offensively. He gets better every night because he's so competitive. He stepped up on defense and his team has followed. That's the definition of leadership."
-- Scottie Pippen on Derrick Rose

"Derrick is playing extremely well. He's definitely probably the MVP of this league. This guy had 30 (points) and 17 (assists against Milwaukee on March 26). He can affect this game by scoring and also by his teammates. He is just going to get better, which is going to be a lot of fun to watch. I think he has all of the tools to be one of the best that played the game."
-- 10-time NBA All-Star Jason Kidd

"Derrick has been phenomenal this year. He continues to grow. He's not only a terrific athlete, but he has turned into a terrific basketball player and he's a great kid. He's a willing learner [and] teammate, and I have nothing but great things to say about him."
-- Two-time MVP (2005, 2006) and seven-time NBA All-Star Steve Nash

"He has stepped up and is now one of the best players in the league. I think he is a worthy MVP this year. But regardless, he's a terrific player and will have a sensational career."
-- Two-time MVP (2005, 2006) and seven-time NBA All-Star Steve Nash

"LeBron has won the last two [MVP awards]. He is my teammate, but Derrick has had a phenomenal season. Just looking at what he has done with the team and their record, how improved they are as a team and how much improved he is as a player. I think it's close, but I think I would give it to Derrick if I were a voter."
-- Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh

"He's playing well, like he's the best point guard in the league and the best player in the league. He's the most valuable player if you really think about it. If you take him out of the lineup, there is no telling what you get."
-- Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh

"Derrick is having a great year. I don't have a vote, but of course Derrick is one of the guys who is a front-runner. He's got to finish out this year strong. Of course, I believe LeBron is a front-runner as well. Those two guys are the leaders of the MVP run. I'm going to be biased and choose my teammate. There's no question about it."
-- Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade

"Like I always keep saying, with team success comes individual accolades. D-Rose is having an unbelievable season. He's doing everything and more to help this team be a contender. There is no way you can mention the MVP race without mentioning his name."
-- Miami Heat forward LeBron James

"I think the sky is the limit for him. You see now just with the improvement he's made off his jump shot from last year to this year how much his game has really gone to another level. I think he's just scratching the surface. He's realizing now what a jump shot can do. Hopefully, he'll continue to work on it and become a pure shooter."
-- Five-time NBA champion and 2008 NBA MVP Kobe Bryant

"Derrick Rose isn't so much a name as a sentence. As in: Derrick Rose in the NBA three years ago and hasn't stopped since. He's my MVP so far, not just for the way he's carried the limping Chicago Bulls the way Penn's carried Teller. And not just for the way he jumps like a frog bred with a kangaroo. And not just for the way he scores, defends and passes like every game is a one-day tryout."
-- 11-time National Sportswriter of the Year Rick Reilly, ESPN.com

"Hard working, good looking, no chest thumping, and modest demeanor; just a class act. All of that on top of his phenomenal play. He has taken a monster leap this year. What's really great about him is that he seems to love the pressure in putting his team on his back. He has the character and the demeanor to do that. Superstars have that character and leadership gene."
-- San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich

"I would imagine that just out of the blue that Derrick Rose is going to be the guy. That team is what, first in the East right now, or tied? He's literally vaulted that team up on his shoulders by [Carlos] Boozer being out the first month and a half or so. I would say just on pure ‘one guy', individually, he's probably going to get a lot of votes."
-- Los Angeles Lakers head coach Phil Jackson

"I think [it's] Derrick Rose. What he's done for that team, with all the injuries they have and them being first in the Eastern Conference -- they're playing some really good basketball."
-- Two-time MVP (2009, 2010) and seven-time NBA All-Star LeBron James

"Right now, statistically, it's probably one of the best years I've had. But we'll see. The media kind of controls it. You've got some guys here that have done their job also. At one point, I thought Dirk [Nowitzki] was also [worthy] until he got hurt. But Derrick Rose definitely has gotten a lot of the exposure and a lot of the media attention because of the work he's done. He's playing some unbelievable basketball."
-- Two-time MVP (2009, 2010) and seven-time NBA All-Star LeBron James

"You look at what he's done with his team, it's tough to argue D-Rose isn't the MVP."
-- Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Love
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