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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
Thanks Stu
Very funny.
The idea was to allow more players to play the way Jordan was PERCEIVED to play - as a player that went 1-on-5 every play via dribble-penetration.
But the NBA messed up.. they made it too easy to get in the lane, so now that's all players do - they drive for layups and kick for 3-pointers - but they've lost everything in between.
Not that any of it matters - none of today's wings play like MJ because he was an off-ball player anyway.. Ironically, off-ball players actually benefit THE MOST from spacing, less physicality and enhanced ball movement, so the only question is which part of Jordan's game would go MORE bananas in today's game - his off-ball game that had the fastest isolation pace ever, or his GOAT ball-dominator game?.
He's the only guy ever that was elite at everything - the guy could morph into Stephan Curry in the 1992 Finals if needed, or score 55 in the playoffs on all JJ Redick catch-and-shoot - whatever the defense gave him, he'd use elite ability to exploit.
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XXL
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
What do you think of Lebron James
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Local High School Star
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
What do you think of Lebron James
Not as good as MJ, better than Kobe, legitimate shot to be top-5-6 player ever.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
What do you think of Lebron James
He's already down to a 25 PER and he's barely 30.. He's basically a 25 PPG scorer at this point in his career..
And even when his stats were slightly better a few years ago, his style (lebron-ball) always reduced the role and production of teammates (i.e. Bosh, Wade, Love).. With teammates not being able to maximize their production, the TEAM was prevented from maximizing its production, which was the source of the repeated underachievement Lebron's teams have become known for (2006 World Games, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014).. In both 2009 and 2010, the Cavs were the #1 seed, and both seasons, they failed to reach the Finals (in part because Lebron-ball facilitates team-underachievement).
Also, Lebron's teams are always stacked with the most talent in the league due to his team-hopping.. Consequently, compared to various all-time greats, the stats prove he gets to ring without having to play nearly as well as they did - for example, this year when he rings, he'll probably get to average like 22 ppg in the playoffs and/or Finals.. That's standard from here on out, nor is it a surprise - he almost never achieved a GOAT stat level in a playoff series, and the few times he did, he never won (due to lebron-ball).
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NBA All-star
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
the lebron legacy, managed to make the league a perimeter orianted and made bigs obsolete.
inb4 raging 3ball
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XXL
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
The SF position has been relatively stacked during Lebron's reign...
Very top heavy to say the least, comparable to the center position in the 90's
Lebron
Durant
Carmelo
Pierce
McGrady
Joe Johnson
Peja
Richard Jefferson
Rashard Lewis
Jamal Mashburn
Andre Igoudala
Jeff Green
Rudy Gay
Parsons
Gerald Wallace
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alternick = loser :D
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
The SF position has been relatively stacked during Lebron's reign...
Very top heavy to say the least, comparable to the center position in the 90's
Lebron
Durant
Carmelo
Pierce
McGrady
Joe Johnson
Peja
Richard Jefferson
Rashard Lewis
Jamal Mashburn
Andre Igoudala
Jeff Green
Rudy Gay
Parsons
Gerald Wallace
mcgrady is more of a combo...
yes i understand lebron and carmelo
but 90's center are you kidding me?
hakeem
shaq
ewing
mourning
drob
divac
rik smiths
motombo
i dont know if sf this decade is really top heavy... and imo mashburn peja jefferson lewis is not really considered lebron era... peak of those guys was pre lebron
i think cousins , towns, embiid can change that really soon. we can also put AD to center as well
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
The SF position has been relatively stacked during Lebron's reign...
Very top heavy to say the least, comparable to the center position in the 90's
Lebron
Durant
Carmelo
Pierce
McGrady
Joe Johnson
Peja
Richard Jefferson
Rashard Lewis
Jamal Mashburn
Andre Igoudala
Jeff Green
Rudy Gay
Parsons
Gerald Wallace
2000-2014 SF's [COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR]1984-1998 SF's
Lebron.............................. Larry Bird
Durant.............................. Dominique
Carmelo............................ Adrian Dantley
Pierce............................... James Worthy
Paul George....................... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.................... Scottie Pippen
Rashard Lewis.................... Glen Rice
Peja................................. Chris Mullin
Richard Jefferson................ Dr. J
McGrady............................ Bernard King
Ron Artest......................... Dennis Rodman
Andre Igoudala................... Sean Elliot
Jeff Green......................... Sharif Abdur Rahim
Rudy Gay.......................... Alex English
Parsons............................. Detlef Schrempf
Gerald Wallace................... Reggie Lewis
Shawn Marion.....................Richard Dumas
Luol Deng.......................... Glenn Robinson
Caron Butler...................... Mark Aguirre
[COLOR="White"].......................................[/COLOR] Tom Gugliotta
[COLOR="White"].......................................[/COLOR] Jamal Mashburn
So it wasn't just the PF's and Centers that were deeper - ALL frontcourt positions had far greater depth of talent in previous eras, including SF's...
Btw, the SF class from 1984-1998 looks night-and-day better than the SF's from today - the difference in quality couldn't look more obvious.
And in the backcourt, the SG's of previous eras were deeper too... The only position where today has any advantage is PG.
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Last edited by 3ball; 04-02-2015 at 03:01 AM.
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The Future Goat
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by 3ball
Your SF List [COLOR="White"]....................[/COLOR]1984-1998 SF List
Lebron............................. Larry Bird
Durant............................. Dominique
Carmelo........................... Grant Hill
Pierce.............................. Bernard King
McGrady........................... Dr. J
Joe Johnson...................... Glen Rice
Peja................................ Chris Mullin
Richard Jefferson............... James Worthy
Rashard Lewis................... Adrian Dantley
Jamal Mashburn................ Glenn Robinson
Andre Igoudala................. Scottie Pippen
Jeff Green........................ Sharif Abdur Rahim
Rudy Gay......................... Alex English
Parsons........................... Detlef Schrempf
Gerald Wallace................. Dennis Rodman
[COLOR="White"].....................................[/COLOR] Mark Aguirre
[COLOR="White"].....................................[/COLOR] Sean Elliot
[COLOR="White"].....................................[/COLOR] Richard Dumas
[COLOR="White"].....................................[/COLOR] Reggie Lewis
[COLOR="White"].....................................[/COLOR] Tom Gugliotta
[COLOR="White"].....................................[/COLOR]
So it wasn't just the PF's and Centers that were deeper - ALL frontcourt positions had far greater depth of talent in previous eras, including SF's...
Btw, the SF class from 1984-1998 looks night-and-day better than the SF's from today - the difference in quality couldn't look more obvious.
And in the backcourt, the SG's of previous eras were deeper too... The only position where today has any advantage is PG.
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Alright how but this list 2004 - 2015
Lebron james
Kevin durant
Carmelo anthony
Paul pierce
t-mac
Shawn marion
andrei kirlenko
Peja
Luol deng
iggy
rashard lewis
ron artest
paul george
gerald wallace
stephen jackson
caron butler
josh howard
I think this list is pretty equal in depth and star power
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Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Why are we talking about SFs? I don't care to look up why.
Centers in today's league don't win as the number one offensive option on their team. Defenses are smart enough to double, recover, cut passing lanes, and make adjustments for a low post big man to single-handedly beat a playoff team. There's a reason Demarcus Cousins of the Sacramento Kings and Brook Lopez of the Brooklyn Nets struggle to make it out the lottery without major help from the perimeter. It's too easy in today's league to counteract the positive effect big men have for their respective team. The three pointer is so important and apparent that team's need shooters more than they need a low post threat. We're in the era of perimeter play, that's what wins in today's league.
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Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
BS! The league has HAD to become perimeter oriented because dominant centers are NOT being developed. Cousins and Lopez are not in the same league as the centers from 20 years ago!
And what a discovery, again the NBA is a team game not one on one. Put Shaq, Kareem or Hakeem on bad teams and their going to struggle in 60's, 70's, 80's or any other decade no matter what the league focus is.
In the same token, look at what an offensively limited center like Dwight Howard did a couple of years ago in getting to the Finals just surrounded with a bunch of shooters. Can you imagine if you put a prime Shaq or Hakeem with that team in the pathetic East? probably 70+ wins and sweeping their way to the title.
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Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Please TripleA!
3ball's SF list included 12 hall of famers, how many in your list?
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jordan > leflop james
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Fawker
No more great bigs.
because big man lack skills
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jordan > leflop james
Re: A dominating center is long gone in todays sceme. It's a peremeter era.
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
What do you think of Lebron James
weak era
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