Lebron has now hit more GW shots in playoffs than Jordan.

[pauk]

Just some data & stats news.... it doesnt mean anything more than that, i just find it notable/interesting Lebron made & took more gamewinning/gametying shots than Jordan in playoffs in less games, but then again he may also been put in more crucial last second gamewinning/gamelosing possession situations than Jordan, not compared to Kobe though (who played many more games than Jordan & took the most gw/gt shots under 10 secs.)...

Criteria:

With 10 secs or less left in 4th or OT, fieldgoal to take the lead or tie the game.

Lebron James -

1 shot to tie the game
7 shots to take the lead (gamewinners)
11 missed

Total - 8 of 19 (42.1%) in 166 playoff games

Michael Jordan

Total - 7 of 15 (46.6%) in 179 playoff games.

Kobe Bryant -

2 shots to tie the game
3 shots to take the lead (gamewinners)
17 missed

Total - 5 of 22 (22.7%) in 220 playoff games.





Source:
Basketball-reference shot & game finders, no problem for Kobe/Lebron but it doesnt date back enough to cover all those Jordans shots in detail so i used THIS (click me) aswell, in those shots the photo is about ~2-3 years old(?), since that photo nothing changed for Kobe (and obviously Jordan) but Lebron however added 2 more (1 gamewinner & 1 buzzer beating gamewinner) out of 5.... which now also from what i heard (click me) ties Jordan for most buzzer beating gamewinners in playoffs aswell...


Jordan is the GOAT, was the better player, Jordan > Lebron, all praise the almighty untouchable Jordan and all that hoopla.... doesnt mean anything except what this above literally means, which is simply Lebron has hit more gamewinners in the playoffs than Jordan... so please dont accuse me of such an agenda with this, the only agenda here is that its just some data & news i found interesting & impressive i wanted to share and perhaps commend Lebron a bit maybe, this is not bad afterall and kindof thread worthy, thats it...

[JerrySeinfeld]

these stats are pointless because they are narrowed down to some form of arbitrary critera that leaves other shit out.

in many cases a player hits a game winner in the form of the other team having to play the foul game to have a chance but end up losing, or they miss a shot that was needed with 10.2 seconds left to win the game, etc.

[TheMarkMadsen]

so that point blank lay up Lebron missed at the end of game 3 doesn't count as a clutch shot missed

ok

[chips93]

why would you include game tying shots if you're talking about game winners?

[pauk]

why would you include game tying shots if you're talking about game winners?

Because that is the criteria i had to go after to include Jordan since this photo is the only data on Jordan's gamewinners/gametying shots in the playoffs:

[pauk]

Clutch isn't just game winners.

Clutch is dominance in the 2nd half, 4th quarter, playoff and Finals..

We have stats for all these clutch areas and MJ is #1 in all of them, by far.

Agree, like i said... doesnt mean anything more than this does.

[christian1923]

Didnt kobe hit like 3 in one game against portland?

[TheMarkMadsen]

I remember when I used to think this shot was clutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCIPacbNxk0

then I realized it wasn't because it came with :25 seconds left in the game

[3ball]

Clutch is dominance in the 2nd half, 4th quarter, playoff and Finals..

We have stats for all these clutch areas and MJ is #1 in all of them, by far.

Do we really want to start posting comparisons of MJ's 4th quarter, playoff and Finals stats compared to Lebron?.. It would look pretty ugly to Lebron stans.

[pauk]

Didnt kobe hit like 3 in one game against portland?

This is the only 3 Kobe hit to tie or win the game (this one was a tie) in his playoff career:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l=&order_by=fg

[JerrySeinfeld]

I remember when I used to think this shot was clutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCIPacbNxk0

then I realized it wasn't because it came with :25 seconds left in the game

lol Kevin Durant had 3 game winners like this in the playoffs of that shortened year alone.

they probably wouldn't fall within the criteria of whatever arbitrary cut-off OP is setting though (I'm assuming he got it from ESPN so it automatically is set to favor LeBron)

[Hey Yo]

so that point blank lay up Lebron missed at the end of game 3 doesn't count as a clutch shot missed

ok

There was close to like 23 seconds left in the game when that happened.

[ApexPredator]

With 10 secs or less left in 4th or OT, fieldgoal to take the lead or tie the game.

Lebron James -

1 shot to tie the game
7 shots to take the lead (gamewinners)
11 missed

Total - 8 of 19 (42.1%) in 166 playoff games

Michael Jordan

Total - 7 of 15 (46.6%) in 179 playoff games.

Kobe Bryant -

2 shots to tie the game
3 shots to take the lead (gamewinners)
17 missed

Total - 5 of 22 (22.7%) in 220 playoff games.

The title is misleading, because it implies that LeBron is better, but in fact the stats show that Jordan is clearly better. Jordan has also had less opportunities because of not wasting his time being in close games against teams that are supposed to be inferior to him. Heck, LeBron's game winners include one against the Magic, a team that should have been worse than LeBron's, but won the series anyway.

[pauk]

I remember when I used to think this shot was clutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCIPacbNxk0

then I realized it wasn't because it came with :25 seconds left in the game

Hehe exactly, but again thats the criteria i had to go after to include Jordan... i wanted to even include up to 30 seconds, hell sometimes a gamewinner (last basket to take the lead) can come with like 1 or even 2 mins in the 4TH/OT..... where you hit the last basket to take the lead and nobody then scores anything....

I could go with that 30+ seconds criteria on another thread and there also include many more players, however the play-by-play doesnt take back further than 2000, so the more interesting names (Bird, Reggie etc.) cant be included.

[Hey Yo]

Agree, like i said... doesnt mean anything more than this does.

How were you able to quote 3ball in post #6 when he never posted before that?