Morey, Hinkie suck

[SwishSquared]

If you honestly think what Hinkie is doing is good for the game of basketball then you are wrong. He can get by with doing what he's doing because of revenue sharing but it is terrible for the sport.

How long will the Sixers continue to play for the lottery? They won't be sniffing the playoffs for years to come. They're 2 years away from being 2 years away from being a playoff team; EVEN IN THE EAST!

Absolutely ridiculous.

Philly receives no cut from revenue sharing. That's a myth. It's considered too large of a market to receive payouts. He's managing costs by barely being above the salary floor every season. Their local TV deal is not great so even if they were title contenders this season they wouldn't be raking in as much TV money as you'd expect.

[SwishSquared]

I forget the details but Hinkie came in and he didn't even have first round draft picks! I think their next two or two of the next few 1 st round picks were traded. They had no major trade pieces and a team that could only make the playoffs with basically CRAP to compete with.

Now they could have up to 4 first round picks in NEXT year's draft.

This is one of the greatest turn arounds we've ever seen in sports if he can just land TWO legit all stars. Nobody has ever been handed a team worse off from a title or bust senario maybe in pro sports history. Had he been given a team that couldn't win a game, he'd have gotten a top pick normally. Here he had NOTHING.

Yeah they owed a 2014 lotto protected pick to the Heat (ended up being sent to Boston in the Joel Anthony trade). It converted into 2015 & 2016 unprotected 2nd rounders, but Hinkie has garnered so much 2nd round picks from other clubs he mitigated that fallout. Tanking ensured the first wouldn't convey.

They also owed a 2016 (I think, though maybe it was 2017) pick to Orlando that had low protections on it. He got that one back in the Payton/Saric trade.

He's potentially got a lot of ammo in terms of picks & young guys to dangle as trade bait or he can keep trying to hit on his own picks. He's done an incredible job of compiling picks. Unfortunately, most that conveyed have been 2nd rounders, which are shots in the dark for turning out to be rotation players on a winning team.

[SwishSquared]

Another thing about Hinkie is he knows he doesn't have any secret 'advanced scouting statistics' when it comes to drafting, it's just about accumulating picks and hoping some of them hit.

"We will not bat a thousand on every single draft pick. We also have them by the bushelful, in part, because of that. We don't have any hubris that we will get them all right. We're not certain that we have an enormous edge over anybody else. In some cases, we might not have an edge at all."

Yeah I remember something like they think there's a few select potential game changers and then the next big chunk of guys have relatively same shot at being good. Then an even broader range of picks are seen as having similar potential to be good players (like late teens to early 30s). I thought they quoted Hinkie or somebody on the 76ers for saying that, although I don't agree with that.

[dhsilv]

If you honestly think what Hinkie is doing is good for the game of basketball then you are wrong. He can get by with doing what he's doing because of revenue sharing but it is terrible for the sport.

How long will the Sixers continue to play for the lottery? They won't be sniffing the playoffs for years to come. They're 2 years away from being 2 years away from being a playoff team; EVEN IN THE EAST!

Absolutely ridiculous.

He's been doing this for 2 years. They haven't even had the worst record in that period. The product THIS year is actually pretty watchable.

He has taken 3 guys who he didn't expect to play in their first year. Not because he wanted to be bad, but because he felt the had the most upside possible. If that's bad for the sport...well the sport isn't worth watching if THAT is some crime.

Teams that constantly put themselves in positions where they can't possibly win, that hurts the sport. Signing crappy players to long term deals, hurts the sport. A team trying to win it all through long term strategic planning? This is a freaking breath of fresh air!

[MiseryCityTexas]

Dwight at center is a hell of a lot better than 6'6 Chuck Hayes starting at center Morey came along way.

[DMAVS41]

He's been doing this for 2 years. They haven't even had the worst record in that period. The product THIS year is actually pretty watchable.

He has taken 3 guys who he didn't expect to play in their first year. Not because he wanted to be bad, but because he felt the had the most upside possible. If that's bad for the sport...well the sport isn't worth watching if THAT is some crime.

Teams that constantly put themselves in positions where they can't possibly win, that hurts the sport. Signing crappy players to long term deals, hurts the sport. A team trying to win it all through long term strategic planning? This is a freaking breath of fresh air!

Exactly...he's doing the best job within these stupid rules. We shouldn't reward teams that try to lose on purpose, but we do. And because we do...what he's doing is super smart.

Why aren't people going hard on the Pelicans? Dumb signing after dumb signing...one of the worst trades in NBA history both in form and function.

What the Pelicans have done is far worse than the Sixers because they actually have a top 5 player in the game to build around...and they completely ****ed that up...at least for now.

[HurricaneKid]

If you honestly think what Hinkie is doing is good for the game of basketball then you are wrong. He can get by with doing what he's doing because of revenue sharing but it is terrible for the sport.

I'm pretty sure the NBA doesn't allow large market teams access to profit sharing distributions and that includes Philly. Now if you mean they get their share of the TV rights deals, well of course.

And what is good for the game is immaterial to Hinkie. He is doing what is good for the 76ers.

[HurricaneKid]

Why aren't people going hard on the Pelicans? Dumb signing after dumb signing...one of the worst trades in NBA history both in form and function.

The problem I DO have with Hinkie was his handling of Jrue (not disclosing a serious injury when trading a player), his dealings with agents and Kirilenko have also raised some eyebrows. He is really going to have some issues getting players to go to Philly even when they do start to turn the corner as his rep is that he will trade anyone at any time if the right deal comes up and he will break his word for a nickel. In a players league, thats not going to cut it.

[DMAVS41]

The problem I DO have with Hinkie was his handling of Jrue (not disclosing a serious injury when trading a player), his dealings with agents and Kirilenko have also raised some eyebrows. He is really going to have some issues getting players to go to Philly even when they do start to turn the corner as his rep is that he will trade anyone at any time if the right deal comes up and he will break his word for a nickel. In a players league, thats not going to cut it.

We'll see...gonna be hard for players to turn down more money...regardless of situation.

[Nastradamus]

These guys and their 'advanced value drafting' are the most overrated people in the game.

What has Morey done for all his praise, he has a 8 baby momma center with zero post moves and he has lazy no d shooting guard.

Wow! Such general managing.

The same with Hinkie, now for the third year putting out abysmal basketball and betting on a guy who will be Oden 2.0 while his draft picks Noel and Okafor are hardly world beaters and his other draft pick Carter-Williams chokes it up for another club.

These so called 'modern' General Managers are pure crap. They have literally won NOTHING with their tank job and 'best value' mentality.

All the while old school guys like Popovich and Jerry West put together world beating teams out of role players.

Lol just lol at thinking the tank and draft mentality will get you anywhere.

Morey has been pretty good. Makes the playoffs just about every year and was a 2 seed in the WCF finals last year. Also obtained the MVP runner up in trade. Has a lot of depth on his roster as well. Should be fine with the coaching change IMO. Lawson needs to be 6th man permanently though.

Still remains to be seen on Hinkie obviously. Noel and Okafor looks like studs IMO. Noel is the best defensive big in the league and Okafor has rare post ability, though a limited all around game. 2 stud bigs is a nice foundation. They have a few young shooters as well. Next year is their big offseason. 3 firsts, Saric coming over and a bunch of cap space. Time to start building a real roster. Embiid set them back,but it was a pick they HAD to make IMO.

If they get Simmons, look out league. The boy from Kentucky would be pretty sick too.

[HurricaneKid]

We'll see...gonna be hard for players to turn down more money...regardless of situation.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Bunches of guys turned down more money with Sac, etc to play elsewhere.

And its a capped league so the guys you want are getting below their fair market value and have lines of teams begging for their services. Greg Monroe had at least 6 teams offering him the max and he barely moves the needle (and I'm a Bucks fan).

Can they get an MLE player for 12M? Maybe, but that goes against everything Hinkie stands for.

[DMAVS41]

Then you haven't been paying attention. Bunches of guys turned down more money with Sac, etc to play elsewhere.

And its a capped league so the guys you want are getting below their fair market value and have lines of teams begging for their services. Greg Monroe had at least 6 teams offering him the max and he barely moves the needle (and I'm a Bucks fan).

Can they get an MLE player for 12M? Maybe, but that goes against everything Hinkie stands for.

I'm talking about when they get good....or when they show promise. They are going to have both. Loads of cap space and a bright future...it's going to be hard for players to turn that down over some beef about Hinkie not disclosing an injury or something.

LOL...they just won't care more than getting paid and going to a team with a bright future.

Monroe is a great example actually...you think he's turning the Bucks down because of Jason Kidd's shady history? LOL...it's not happening.

The middling players? They'll always be able to get guys like that. They can overpay guys like Aminu...and they'll take the money more often than not. I was talking about true move the needle type guys like Monroe...and yes...of course how good the team is matters. You can't sign those guys currently on Philly so it's not relevant.

[SwishSquared]

Then you haven't been paying attention. Bunches of guys turned down more money with Sac, etc to play elsewhere.

And its a capped league so the guys you want are getting below their fair market value and have lines of teams begging for their services. Greg Monroe had at least 6 teams offering him the max and he barely moves the needle (and I'm a Bucks fan).

Can they get an MLE player for 12M? Maybe, but that goes against everything Hinkie stands for.

If Bulls didn't make a max qualifying offer to Butler, he was gonna take a meeting with the 76ers for any sort of contract he wanted.

Agents are mad @ Hinkie for his typical 4-year deal given to scrap heap guys and 2nd round draft picks. They got angry at him for getting rid of guys who won't take that deal (KJ McDaniels & Tokoto are the main examples). They're also mad that he will refuse to meet with some middling guys that make little sense on Philly's roster because the agent wants to use him as leverage.

The Kirilenko deal was shady but you have to blame Billy King, too. It seems he made promises to AK that Philly didn't agree to. Don't always trust the Nets' sources, considering they've been throwing shade @ Philly's FO for a while. Philly didn't want to buy-out/waive Danny Granger mid-season after Indy salary dumped him, but honored his request. They gave Furkan Aldemir $6M guaranteed after his overseas club went bankrupt essentially (he can only set screens and gather some OREBs) just because he has the same agent as Saric.

The Jrue stuff was reprehensible, though. Very unclassy move and displayed poor ethics imo.

The only guy that truly made sense in UFA/RFA for them (that realistically wouldn't have been matched by his team) was Corey Joseph imo. They got Kendall Marshall for 4 years with total cost a bit more than CoJo's annual salary with Toronto, which they thought provided better flexibility (not to mention only 1 guaranteed year).

[DMAVS41]

If Bulls didn't make a max qualifying offer to Butler, he was gonna take a meeting with the 76ers for any sort of contract he wanted.

Agents are mad @ Hinkie for his typical 4-year deal given to scrap heap guys and 2nd round draft picks. They got angry at him for getting rid of guys who won't take that deal (KJ McDaniels & Tokoto are the main examples). They're also mad that he will refuse to meet with some middling guys that make little sense on Philly's roster because the agent wants to use him as leverage.

The Kirilenko deal was shady but you have to blame Billy King, too. It seems he made promises to AK that Philly didn't agree to. Don't always trust the Nets' sources, considering they've been throwing shade @ Philly's FO for a while. Philly didn't want to buy-out/waive Danny Granger mid-season after Indy salary dumped him, but honored his request. They gave Furkan Aldemir $6M guaranteed after his overseas club went bankrupt essentially (he can only set screens and gather some OREBs) just because he has the same agent as Saric.

The Jrue stuff was reprehensible, though. Very unclassy move and displayed poor ethics imo.

The only guy that truly made sense in UFA/RFA for them (that realistically wouldn't have been matched by his team) was Corey Joseph imo. They got Kendall Marshall for 4 years with total cost a bit more than CoJo's annual salary with Toronto, which they thought provided better flexibility (not to mention only 1 guaranteed year).

And if they show promise starting these next 2 years like the Bucks had going into this year. Very few players/agents are going to hold a big enough grudge over this stuff...especially not players...to turn down big money from a team that has a clear cut bright future.

The shit Hinkie has done...while I understand the arguments against the ethics in some cases...has not been bad enough to cost them "needle moving free agents" down the road.

We'll see though...I just seriously doubt it.

[IncarceratedBob]

Rockets are in an awful spot. They're not good enough to win anything and yet they're good enough to be in the playoffs year in and year out which essentially takes them out of the running to get an elite player which is necessary to win it all