10 years of Wilt Chamberlain or 5 years of George Mikan?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well?

[LAZERUSS]

Well?

Look at the RECORD BOOK.

And don't bring up RINGS, since they are a TEAM award.

That should answer "General Custer's" question.

[LAZERUSS]

RINGS...

How many did MJ win without Pippen?

How many did Kareem win without Magic or Oscar?

How many did Kobe win without Shaq or Gasol?

How many did Hakeem win when his teammates were outplayed by the opposing team's?

Etc., etc, etc...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Look at the regular season RECORD BOOK.

And don't bring up RINGS, since they are a TEAM award.

That should answer "General Custer's" question.

George "Mr. Basketball" Mikan - 5x World Champion

Wilt "The Stilt" Chamberlain - 2x World Champion

The level of dominance that George displayed during the playoffs was an incredible thing to watch.

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OT: Why doesn't the 48 NBL title count for the Lakers? Same with the Pistons in 44 & 45? I'm not going to compare Mikan to guys after the shotclock was introduced for obvious reasons, but:

NBL Championships: 47, 48
BAA Championships: 49
NBA Championships: 50, 52, 53, 54

is pretty damn impressive. Too bad Bob Kurland opted for AAU, or else it could've been an incredible rivalry.

[Deuce Bigalow]

RINGS...

How many did MJ win without Pippen?

You mean when MJ was averging ~35 ppg IN THE PLAYOFFS?

How many did Kareem win without Magic or Oscar?

5 without Oscar, 1 without Magic

How many did Kobe win without Shaq or Gasol?

2 without Shaq, 3 without Gasol

How many did Hakeem win when his teammates were outplayed by the opposing team's?

More than Wilt

[LAZERUSS]

You mean when MJ was averging ~35 ppg IN THE PLAYOFFS?

5 without Oscar, 1 without Magic

2 without Shaq, 3 without Gasol

More than Wilt

Chamberlain AVERAGED 35 ppg in two complete playoffs, and had SERIES' of 37, 37, 39, 39

So, Kareem did not win ANY without Oscar OR Magic

And Kobe did not win ANY without Shaq OR Gasol.

And did give me the list of Hakeem's playoff teams in which his teammates collectively shot .382, .354, .354, .352, and .332...or just puked all over themselves in game seven's...while his OPPOSING teams were shooting considerably better...and his TEAM still won a title.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chamberlain AVERAGED 35 ppg in two complete playoffs, and had SERIES' of 37, 37, 39, 39

So, Kareem did not win ANY without Oscar OR Magic

And Kobe did not win ANY without Shaq OR Gasol.

And did give me the list of Hakeem's playoff teams in which his teammates collectively shot .382, .354, .354, .352, and .332...or just puked all over themselves in game seven's...while his OPPOSING teams were shooting considerably better...and his TEAM still won a title.

Wilton never scratched 25 ppg in a championship run. He was never even the leading scorer, or the 2nd leading scorer on a championship team. Hmmm.. seems weird that when Wilt was being the team's leading scorer they never won a championship, but once he stopped chucking, his team ended up winning 2 rings later on....

The GOAT averaged 35 ppg in 2 playoff runs that resulted in a championship, the rest were above 30 ppg.

Kareem never played with Oscar and Magic at the same time, so it's like me asking why didn't Wilt win a title without Hal Greer and Jerry West? Oscar was already old once Kareem played with him anyways.

Shaq and Gasol were never on Kobe's team at the same time.

Let's not get into the Hakeem vs Wilt debate. Bottom line is that both were 2x Champions. Don't act like Wilt is on some other planet compared to Hakeem.

[Deuce Bigalow]

OT: Why doesn't the 48 NBL title count for the Lakers? Same with the Pistons in 44 & 45? I'm not going to compare Mikan to guys after the shotclock was introduced for obvious reasons, but:

NBL Championships: 47, 48
BAA Championships: 49
NBA Championships: 50, 52, 53, 54

is pretty damn impressive. Too bad Bob Kurland opted for AAU, or else it could've been an incredible rivalry.

So you're telling me the Lakers should have 18 titles compared to Boston's 17...?

Lakers need to sue the NBA for not counting those

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So you're telling me the Lakers should have 18 titles compared to Boston's 17...?

Lakers need to sue the NBA for not counting those

17, Mikan's 47 championship he was with the Chicago Gears. But yeah, should be a tie, and LA gets there far more often (and consistently).

[LAZERUSS]

Wilton never scratched 25 ppg in a championship run. He was never even the leading scorer, or the 2nd leading scorer on a championship team. Hmmm.. seems weird that when Wilt was being the team's leading scorer they never won a championship, but once he stopped chucking, his team ended up winning 2 rings later on....

The GOAT averaged 35 ppg in 2 playoff runs that resulted in a championship, the rest were above 30 ppg.

Kareem never played with Oscar and Magic at the same time, so it's like me asking why didn't Wilt win a title without Hal Greer and Jerry West? Oscar was already old once Kareem played with him anyways.

Shaq and Gasol were never on Kobe's team at the same time.

Let's not get into the Hakeem vs Wilt debate. Bottom line is that both were 2x Champions. Don't act like Wilt is on some other planet compared to Hakeem.

Jordan averaged 41 ppg in the playoffs on a team that was SWEPT. And how come MJ played for FIVE LOSING teams in his career?

What happened to Kobe in '05, '06 and '07? How come no titles?

Kareem played his first ten years in the NBA and won ONE ring (with Oscar), and when Oscar retired, his Bucks fell to 38-44. He was traded the next year, and his Lakers only went 40-42. How come?

Hakeem played on teams that were eliminated in the FIRST ROUND in EIGHT of his 15 post-seasons, and only went to three Finals. How come?

Kobe has played on as many teams that did NOT win a title, as Chamberlain did in his career. Shaq, Kareem, and Hakeem all played on teams that lost MORE often than Wilt did in his career. How come?

Get that nonsense out of here...

The best TEAMs win the title.

[Deuce Bigalow]

17, Mikan's 47 championship he was with the Chicago Gears. But yeah, should be a tie, and LA gets there far more often (and consistently).

Lakers made the Finals 10 more times if I memorized that correctly.

What makes the Lakers titles more impressive is that 13 of their titles were won when Boston didn't make the Finals, while Boston's 9 of 17 titles were won while the Lakers made the Finals.

1948-49: Lakers win Title, Celtics miss Playoffs
1949-50: Lakers win Title, Celtics miss Playoffs
1951-52: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Semifinals
1952-53: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Semifinals
1953-54: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Conference Finals
1971-72: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Conference Finals
1979-80: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Conference Finals
1981-82: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Conference Finals
1987-88: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Conference Finals
1999-00: Lakers win Title, Celtics miss Playoffs
2000-01: Lakers win Title, Celtics miss Playoffs
2001-02: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Conference Finals
2008-09: Lakers win Title, Celtics lose in Semifinals

Even though Boston has a 9-3 head to head lead, that is only because they were not good enough to make the Finals and play the Lakers those 13 seasons, or else the h2h would be different.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jordan averaged 41 ppg in the playoffs on a team that was SWEPT. And how come MJ played for FIVE LOSING teams in his career?

What happened when he had a good team around him? Speaking up 41 ppg...'93 NBA Finals

What happened to Kobe in '05, '06 and '07? How come no titles?

What happened when he had a good team around him?

Kareem played his first ten years in the NBA and won ONE ring (with Oscar), and when Oscar retired, his Bucks fell to 38-44. He was traded the next year, and his Lakers only went 40-42. How come?

Wilt won 1 title in his first 12 seasons

Hakeem played on teams that were eliminated in the FIRST ROUND in EIGHT of his 15 post-seasons, and only went to three Finals. How come?

How many HOFers did he play with those years?

Kobe has played on as many teams that did NOT win a title, as Chamberlain did in his career. Shaq, Kareem, and Hakeem all played on teams that lost MORE often than Wilt did in his career. How come?

How come all of those players except for Hakeem have more rings than Wilt?

Get that nonsense out of here...

Exactly

The best TEAMs win the title.

What makes up a team?

[LAZERUSS]

What happened when he had a good team around him?

What happened when he had a good team around him?

Wilt won 1 title in his first 12 seasons

How many HOFers did he play with those years?

How come all of those players except for Hakeem have more rings than Wilt?

Exactly

What makes up a team?

What happened when he had a good team around him?
Like 94-95? Jordan won with the BEST TEAMS.

So Kareem with teams as bad as Wilt's won as often as Chamberlain did. When he had Magic, he won FIVE.

Kobe couldn't win without his teammates outplaying his opposing teammates.

Hakeem seldom faced HOFers either. His '94 team had more talent than Ewings. And he had more HOFers on his '95 team than Shaq did. And Hakeem didn't even make the Finals in years in which he had TWO HOF teammates. (Drexler and Barkley, and Barkley and Pippen.) How come?

Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, ...none of them ever faced teams that had between FOUR to NINE HOFers either. And when Jordan did, his team's were SWEPT. Chamberlain had to battle single TEAMs, with between FOUR to NINE HOFers, in THIRTEEN of his 14 seasons in the league. And he won titles twice, even though his teams were outgunned by HOFers.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What happened when he had a good team around him?
Like 94-95? Jordan won with the BEST TEAMS.

You're really going to ignore 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, and 98?

So Kareem with teams as bad as Wilt's won as often as Chamberlain did. When he had Magic, he won FIVE.

Nope. Kareem won 2 in his first 12 seasons, Wilt 1. 3 in his first 14, one more than Wilt in his 14 year career.

Kobe couldn't win without his teammates outplaying his opposing teammates.

His last 2 titles he was the leading scorer and assist man on his team by far.

Hakeem seldom faced HOFers either. His '94 team had more talent than Ewings. And he had more HOFers on his '95 team than Shaq did.

The '94 team with 0 all-star teammates

Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, ...none of them ever faced teams that had between FOUR to NINE HOFers either. And when Jordan did, his team's were SWEPT. Chamberlain had to battle single TEAMs, with between FOUR to NINE HOFers, in THIRTEEN of his 14 seasons in the league. And he won titles twice, even though his teams were outgunned by HOFers.

They never had that many HOFers on their team anyways. Don't make me list the HOFers that Wilt played with on his career...