Chamberlain with 21 KNOWN Playoff Triple Doubles

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt lost the NCAA championship game. Why? Because he was so good, the team just tried to get him the ball. What did their opponents do? Swarm him and force others to beat them. A great player attracts the attention and sets others guys up, not try to play 1 on 3.

On the flip side, Russell went to a school (University of SF) that hadn't done NOTHING prior to him going there and won 2 NCAA titles. Coincidence? Please. Russell played to win, not put up gaudy individual numbers which might not have been the best for the team.

The same situation stood at the pro level. Wilt was the superior individual talent but Russell was the better winner. In a vacuum, yes, Wilt was superior. He should be. He had 4-5 inches and 50-60 lbs on Russell. And you also factor in the mentality that both brought, Wilt being somewhat aloof and not living bball day and night while Russell tried to get every advantage mentally and physically every time he stepped on the court.

All this stuff matters. It's the little things that separate winners from losers. When you keep on posting individual stats without proper context, it does make me question if you ever played the game while ignoring the mental aspect of the game.

Obviously you didn't do any research on Wilt's college career, either. He won the Tournament MVP, on a FAR INFERIOR team, that lost a triple OT game, in which he was defended by 4-5 players the entire game. Russell NEVER faced that in his college career, and BTW, played with TWO future pros on that team.

Furthermore, Wilt missed three games in his junior season due to illness. Guess what? His team lost all three. And because of that, his team failed to make the NCAA tourney.

Oh, and Russell's numbers declined considerably against WILT in his post-season career. Especially his shooting, which dropped enormously. Wilt slaughtered him in scoring, pounded him on the glass, and crushed him in efficiency.

Incidently, Russell built up his post-season numbers almost exclusively against the Lakers in the decade of the 60's. He faced them six times, and the ONE time in which he did nothing...came against WILT.

Now, had Wilt faced those Laker teams even ONCE, he likely would hold every major post-season scoring record. Why? Because he faced them 86 times in the regular season in the decade of the 60's...and had 40 (yes 40) 40+ point games against them, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+ (with a high game of 78 ...and 43 rebounds.)

[ClipperRevival]

Chamberlain won a FMVP at age 35. And you are deluding yourself if you don't think Wilt would not have a FMVP in '67 had the award existed (BTW...in a Finals in which Barry averaged 41 ppg.)

Wilt faced RUSSELL... EIGHT TIMES... in his post-season career. And all but one in either round one, or two. BTW, MJ's numbers declined considerably in his four playoff series against the Bad Boys; Shaq's fell off considerably against the Robinson Spurs in his four post-season H2H's,; and Kareem's fell off the cliff in his post-season H2H's against Wilt and Thurmond. Why?

I have posted Wilt's 37 "must win" and "series clinching" games before, and you would be hard-pressed to find 3-4 in which he played poorly. He AVERAGED 29.5 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and shot .546 in those 37 games...all while brutalizing his opposing HOF centers. Just KILLED them.

I could go on, but you obviously have done ZERO research on Chamberlain. Why bother?

MJ's stats versus the Pistons:

1988 playoffs (5 games): 27.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, 49% FG
1989 playoffs (6 games): 29.7 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 46% FG
1990 playoffs (7 games): 32.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.1 SPG, 47% FG
1991 playoffs (4 games): 29.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, 54% FG

Yeah, such horrible numbers huh?

All you have is individual stats without context. MJ is 6/6 with 6 FMVP. Your man came up short when it mattered most. Everyone knows this. And he had plenty of help starting in 1966-67. You know this, I know. But the truth hurts so you have no choice but to deflect and blame anyone else but the man himself.

Now carry on with your endless individual stats. That's all you got.

[ClipperRevival]

Obviously you didn't do any research on Wilt's college career, either. He won the Tournament MVP, on a FAR INFERIOR team, that lost a triple OT game, in which he was defended by 4-5 players the entire game. Russell NEVER faced that in his college career, and BTW, played with TWO future pros on that team.

Furthermore, Wilt missed three games in his junior season due to illness. Guess what? His team lost all three. And because of that, his team failed to make the NCAA tourney.

Oh, and Russell's numbers declined considerably against WILT in his post-season career. Especially his shooting, which dropped enormously. Wilt slaughtered him in scoring, pounded him on the glass, and crushed him in efficiency.

Incidently, Russell built up his post-season numbers almost exclusively against the Lakers in the decade of the 60's. He faced them six times, and the ONE time in which he did nothing...came against WILT.

Now, had Wilt faced those Laker teams even ONCE, he likely would hold every major post-season scoring record. Why? Because he faced them 86 times in the regular season in the decade of the 60's...and had 40 (yes 40) 40+ point games against them, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+ (with a high game of 78 ...and 43 rebounds.)

So basically:

Russell: 2 NCAA titles, 11 NBA titles
Wilt: 0 NCAA titles, 2 NBA titles

Got it.

[LAZERUSS]

MJ's stats versus the Pistons:

1988 playoffs (5 games): 27.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, 49% FG
1989 playoffs (6 games): 29.7 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 46% FG
1990 playoffs (7 games): 32.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.1 SPG, 47% FG
1991 playoffs (4 games): 29.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, 54% FG

Yeah, such horrible numbers huh?

All you have is individual stats without context. MJ is 6/6 with 6 FMVP. Your man came up short when it mattered most. Everyone knows this. And he had plenty of help starting in 1966-67. You know this, I know. But the truth hurts so you have no choice but to deflect and blame anyone else but the man himself.

Now carry on with your endless individual stats. That's all you got.

Jordan's regular season numbers were considerably higher...especially against the prime Bad Boys from '88 thru '90.

How about Wilt's against Russell and his swarming teammates?

30.5 ppg
33.6 ppg
29.2 ppg
28.0 ppg
30.1 ppg

21.6 ppg in series in which he and his equal supporting cast just annihilated Russell's eight time defending champs.

BTW, Jordan didn't win shit until he had a roster, that went an injury-decimated 55-27 without him (and with Pippen and Grant missing a combined 22 games.) Easily a 60+ win roster...all basically with Pete Myers replacing MJ.

Without Pippen... 1-9. In his highest scoring regular season...0-3 and blowout losses.

John Wooden said it best...swap Russell and Wilt's supporting casts, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[LAZERUSS]

So basically:

Russell: 2 NCAA titles, 11 NBA titles
Wilt: 0 NCAA titles, 2 NBA titles

Got it.

Wilt with an EQUAL ROSTER to Russell's... 1-0, (actually 4-1, and a mere four points away from a sweep in game four.)

Wooden; Swap rosters and Wilt would have won all those rings.

[julizaver]

2nd in regular season scoring - 30.1 ppg
34th in playoff scoring - 22.5
43rd in finals scoring - 18.6

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones.

I've read all the recaps and can summarize:

Wilt prior to 1967 doesn't have single bad game in the must win games no maters of the stat line. After that he became more of of team player and he was not the scorer he used to be.
You can blame him for whatever you want - attitude, off court distractions, relationships with coaches, but he played hard in those games and did not choked or quit. He made the team last points, he was clutch and he was the best performing player from his team as it should be.

Did Wilt had games where he played under his standards - yes he had for sure, especially when age, injuries start taking there toll. This is happen with every player. BTW Wilt was FMVP two months before turning 36. (About Kareem, Hakeem comparison).

[SpanishACB]

with all these great numbers in a huge deal of playoff games and seeing the amount of rings ilt has I conclude:

stat padder

[ClipperRevival]

Wilt with an EQUAL ROSTER to Russell's... 1-0, (actually 4-1, and a mere four points away from a sweep in game four.)

Wooden; Swap rosters and Wilt would have won all those rings.

You're a freaken buffoon. You bring ZERO objectivity to the table.

[ClipperRevival]

I've read all the recaps and can summarize:

Wilt prior to 1967 doesn't have single bad game in the must win games no maters of the stat line. After that he became more of of team player and he was not the scorer he used to be.
You can blame him for whatever you want - attitude, off court distractions, relationships with coaches, but he played hard in those games and did not choked or quit. He made the team last points, he was clutch and he was the best performing player from his team as it should be.

Did Wilt had games where he played under his standards - yes he had for sure, especially when age, injuries start taking there toll. This is happen with every player. BTW Wilt was FMVP two months before turning 36. (About Kareem, Hakeem comparison).

You Wilt fans are a joke. You can't concede ANYTHING. It's always someone else's fault. Jesus Christ. You guys are the most dense fans on this board. Maybe it has to do with your age or something but damn. It's like talking to a brick wall.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm an MJ fan. I can openly admit that he didn't play optimal ball in his first few years in the league. He didn't know how to make his teammates better yet and tried to do too much himself. And therefore, you can argue he didn't have as much playoff success right off the bat had he played optimal ball. But being able to master the ability to play like a TRUE superstar and know when to take over and when to get others involved takes time. And MJ eventually figured it out.

There, was it that hard?

[NBAGOAT]

You Wilt fans are a joke. You can't concede ANYTHING. It's always someone else's fault. Jesus Christ. You guys are the most dense fans on this board. Maybe it has to do with your age or something but damn. It's like talking to a brick wall.

tbf he said before 67 which is kind of hard to disagree with. I think Wilt has 2 really black marks. 68 vs Celtics when they were up 3-1 and 69 vs the Celtics in the Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

tbf he said before 67 which is kind of hard to disagree with. I think Wilt has 2 really black marks. 68 vs Celtics when they were up 3-1 and 69 vs the Celtics in the Finals.

'68 EDF's...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=13

Wilt and his team were decimated by injuries. Incidently, Curry is getting excuses for playing poorly in all but about 10 minutes of this post-season, because of a mild knee sprain that normally takes 1-2 weeks to heal. BTW, Curry took over 2 weeks off.

Chamberlain PLAYED 48 mpg in a seven game EDF's with a TEAR in his calf muscle, which normally requires walking on crutches for a period of time, and then 4-6 weeks of recovery.

Oh, and he averaged 22 ppg, 25 rpg, and 7 apg in that series.

It was a MIRACLE that he not only played, but that he was still a force.


'69?

All you need to know...

His COACH, "When we pass the ball into Wilt he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch." So, instead he had Baylor shot-jacking the Lakers down in flames.

BTW, in game seven...Chamberlain with 18 points, 27 rebounds, 10 blocks, 7-8 from the field (and 4-13 from the line) for a TS% of .621, which was the highest of anyone playing in that game (Russell's was .333 BTW.)

[AceManIII]

Ilt should have came out of the closet before he died...overcompensating b****

[ClipperRevival]

'68 EDF's...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=13

Wilt and his team were decimated by injuries. Incidently, Curry is getting excuses for playing poorly in all but about 10 minutes of this post-season, because of a mild knee sprain that normally takes 1-2 weeks to heal. BTW, Curry took over 2 weeks off.

Chamberlain PLAYED 48 mpg in a seven game EDF's with a TEAR in his calf muscle, which normally requires walking on crutches for a period of time, and then 4-6 weeks of recovery.

Oh, and he averaged 22 ppg, 25 rpg, and 7 apg in that series.

It was a MIRACLE that he not only played, but that he was still a force.


'69?

All you need to know...

His COACH, "When we pass the ball into Wilt he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch." So, instead he had Baylor shot-jacking the Lakers down in flames.

BTW, in game seven...Chamberlain with 18 points, 27 rebounds, 10 blocks, 7-8 from the field (and 4-13 from the line) for a TS% of .621, which was the highest of anyone playing in that game (Russell's was .333 BTW.)

Seek help.

[ClipperRevival]

tbf he said before 67 which is kind of hard to disagree with. I think Wilt has 2 really black marks. 68 vs Celtics when they were up 3-1 and 69 vs the Celtics in the Finals.

I missed the part about pre-1967.

But yes, his two glaring black marks are the two series you mentioned above, ESPECIALLY 1969.

I've seen every documentary there is available on Youtube on this guy and they always have a segment on why he didn't win more. It's a part of his legacy.

And now, let's roll the Laz bullsh*t.