Does anyone actually support Guaranteed Contracts?

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The actual definition of contract implies a guarantee from both sides.

If you want non guaranteed contracts, would you be ok with players being allowed to opt out at any point as well? A player like Steph Curry should be able to rip up his contract for $10m this year and demand more money, no?

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The actual definition of contract implies a guarantee from both sides.

If you want non guaranteed contracts, would you be ok with players being allowed to opt out at any point as well? A player like Steph Curry should be able to rip up his contract for $10m this year and demand more money, no?

Of course if it's specified in the contract that the player has a right to...i.e. the player negotiates for that clause...

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The actual definition of contract implies a guarantee from both sides.

If you want non guaranteed contracts, would you be ok with players being allowed to opt out at any point as well? A player like Steph Curry should be able to rip up his contract for $10m this year and demand more money, no?

I'm positive that there would be absolutely no way a stanza allowing that would be found within the team-player contract, ever. No team would ever sign off on that, and the player could do nothing about it because they hold no leverage. On the flip side, if an owner vote passes to get rid of guaranteed contracts, the players would be be forced to conform. Well that or go play overseas which would never happen.

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Of course if it's specified in the contract that the player has a right to...i.e. the player negotiates for that clause...

NBA contracts don't allow that to occur at any point; only at specified times which are agreed upon. What the OP wants is the NFL system where a team can simply cut a player at any time, so it would only be fair to allow the player to opt out at any time as well.



The NFL is not popular because of its non guaranteed contracts. The NFL is popular because it has football. If the NBA wants to achieve NFL level parity, they should start playing 16 game seasons, 1 game a week, and have the players play football instead of basketball.

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I'm positive that there would be absolutely no way a stanza allowing that would be found within the team-player contract, ever. No team would ever sign off on that, and the player could do nothing about it because they hold no leverage. On the flip side, if an owner vote passes to get rid of guaranteed contracts, the players would be be forced to conform. Well that or go play overseas which would never happen.

In the NFL, we get hold outs. You wanna see Kevin Durant hold out a year because he's not happy with his contract? I'm sure that would be fun.

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players like Trevor Ariza are the consequences of guaranteed contracts.

we would be seeing better basketball with non-guaranteed contracts.

but the best solution would be yearly contracts instead of multi-year deals.

yes, it would suck for players that would get injured, but at least teams wouldn't be tied to an injured player, paying him millions just to take up cap and roster space.

That would be turn the league into a circus. The face of every roster would change dramatically each year. Stars would be impossible to lock up and dynastys would be forever extinct. The owners would never allow such a model to exist. The only beneficiaries would be those who profit off Jersey sales.

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NBA contracts don't allow that to occur at any point; only at specified times which are agreed upon. What the OP wants is the NFL system where a team can simply cut a player at any time, so it would only be fair to allow the player to opt out at any time as well.



The NFL is not popular because of its non guaranteed contracts. The NFL is popular because it has football. If the NBA wants to achieve NFL level parity, they should start playing 16 game seasons, 1 game a week, and have the players play football instead of basketball.

If players are concerned with injuries, then take out an insurance policy that will pay you if you sustain them. What the hell is wrong with holding players accountable for what they're expected, and paid, to do? Last time I checked, players were paid based upon an expectation they were supposed to bring to the team. If the player can no longer uphold that expectation, then there should be a system to get rid of them, and don't bring amnesty in here(its bullshit)

I guess I could compare it to this. Imagine a player signs a max contract with a team. Imagine said player holds up his end of the bargain and performs as a max player, but the team tanks financially to the point where the ownership group literally can't pay the player his salary he was promised. Do you think that would be ok? Because that's essentially what is happening in guaranteed contracts, it's just the other way around.

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If players are concerned with injuries, then take out an insurance policy that will pay you if you sustain them. What the hell is wrong with holding players accountable for what they're expected, and paid, to do? Last time I checked, players were paid based upon an expectation they were supposed to bring to the team. If the player can no longer uphold that expectation, then there should be a system to get rid of them, and don't bring amnesty in here(its bullshit)

I guess I could compare it to this. Imagine a player signs a max contract with a team. Imagine said player holds up his end of the bargain and performs as a max player, but the team tanks financially to the point where the ownership group literally can't pay the player his salary he was promised. Do you think that would be ok? Because that's essentially what is happening in guaranteed contracts, it's just the other way around.

There are just as many players who out-perform their contracts as there are players who under-perform. It all balances out.


Stop worrying about the owner's bank accounts. They are making tons of money.

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In the NFL, we get hold outs. You wanna see Kevin Durant hold out a year because he's not happy with his contract? I'm sure that would be fun.

Once again, there is a reason that NFL players hold out/demand more money. It's a full contact sport where acute injuries are frequent and a players shelf life isn't very long in comparison with other sports.

Basketball on the otherhand rarely sees career jeopardizing injuries that didn't have a form of pre-existing condition.

I mean seriously, when is the last time a young player got legitimately injured to the point where it ruined their career? Don't bring the Bynum's and Oden's into this who were made of glass and pre-determined to have injury plagued careers.

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If you're so worried about fairness, then you should be in favor of getting rid of max contracts for players, and start letting teams pay the Lebrons, Durants, etc the lion's share of the team cap. Let the superstars make 75% of the cap, and the rest of the players can take the rest. They are the real reasons the sport makes the money it does, and they also rarely under-perform. No team is gonna shell out $50+ million to 3rd and 4th options anymore under those rules.

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There are just as many players who out-perform their contracts as there are players who under-perform. It all balances out.


Stop worrying about the owner's bank accounts. They are making tons of money.

You still don't understand, this has nothing to do with the owners. Instead it has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get rid of worthless players who are being paid premier money. That money should go to a player that deserves it, not someone who fails to live up to their expectations.

I guess you think Gilbert Arenas was compensated properly for his play by that ridiculous contract he got, right?

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Once again, there is a reason that NFL players hold out/demand more money. It's a full contact sport where acute injuries are frequent and a players shelf life isn't very long in comparison with other sports.

Basketball on the otherhand rarely sees career jeopardizing injuries that didn't have a form of pre-existing condition.

I mean seriously, when is the last time a young player got legitimately injured to the point where it ruined their career? Don't bring the Bynum's and Oden's into this who were made of glass and pre-determined to have injury plagued careers.

The main reason players hold out in football is money. It's not because they fear injury.

And the injury issue is the reason that the NFL can get away with non guaranteed contracts. It's the only sport that has it because of the nature of the violence.


It actually breaks anti-trust law to have non guaranteed contracts. That had to be bargained over with the Union. There is no other profession in the world where contracts are not guaranteed. If you sign a contract with an employer, both sides are bound to the contract.

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If you're so worried about fairness, then you should be in favor of getting rid of max contracts for players, and start letting teams pay the Lebrons, Durants, etc the lion's share of the team cap. Let the superstars make 75% of the cap, and the rest of the players can take the rest. They are the real reasons the sport makes the money it does, and they also rarely under-perform. No team is gonna shell out $50+ million to 3rd and 4th options anymore under those rules.

Yes, let's get rid of max contracts so the best players in the league can be signed by sh*t teams in big markets for 50+ mm a year. That team can then do nothing but surround them with scrubs due to the cap, rendering them irrelevant for the next half decade.

Ya that would be great for the fans.

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You still don't understand, this has nothing to do with the owners. Instead it has EVERYTHING to do with being able to get rid of worthless players who are being paid premier money. That money should go to a player that deserves it, not someone who fails to live up to their expectations.

I guess you think Gilbert Arenas was compensated properly for his play by that ridiculous contract he got, right?

He OUTPERFORMED his contract prior to signing it, which is the reason why he got a huge contract in the first place. They had no idea he was gonna get injured. He deserved the money he got, if someone was willing to give it to him. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you.

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Yes, let's get rid of max contracts so the best players in the league can be signed by sh*t teams in big markets for 50+ mm a year. That team can then do nothing but surround them with scrubs due to the cap, rendering them irrelevant for the next half decade.

Ya that would be great for the fans.

NFL doesn't have max contracts. Aren't we trying to follow their lead?