In Basketball terms Michael Jordan is the Sun - Everything revolves around him

[Walk on Water]

You talk about how Lebron is this assist and rebound machine. When Jordan had to play the more dominant role he averaged 32.5 points and 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. So he proved he can get 8 rebounds and 8 assists while leading the league in scoring.

Then he averaged 31.5 points for his career on the Bulls. That

[3ball]

You talk about how Lebron is this assist and rebound machine. When Jordan had to play the more dominant role he averaged 32.5 points and 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. So he proved he can get 8 rebounds and 8 assists while leading the league in scoring.

Then he averaged 31.5 points for his career on the Bulls. That’s more than 4 points higher than Lebron’s current career average. [COLOR="Navy"]Jordan didn’t need the extra 1 or 2 rebounds an assists. What is he supposed to do? Play off the ball less so he could stat pad and get an extra 2 assists? [/COLOR]

But the point I’m making is Jordan already proved he can get more than 7 rebounds and assists when he wants to. But rings don’t care about those numbers

Great thread

MJ proved he could play Lebron/Harden-ball, and it proved more dominant than theirs - lebron/harden never took a low seed to a deep playoff run or 6 games with the champs

[PP34Deuce]

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]You talk about how Lebron is this assist and rebound machine. When Jordan had to play the more dominant role he averaged 32.5 points and 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. So he proved he can get 8 rebounds and 8 assists while leading the league in scoring.

Then he averaged 31.5 points for his career on the Bulls. That

[Vino24]

imagine if Jordan was capable of this

[paksat]

Needed MJ more than ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4XRUIdqHY

[SpaceJam]

Was that the season Jordan and the Bulls were tied 2-2 with the NBA Champs in the Eastern Conference Finals and MJ threw the game by attempting a merely 8 field goal attempts?

[3ball]

leading-everyone-in-everything-lebron-james

That approach loses more than being the goat scorer, and actually requires equal scoring contributions from sidekicks to win..

MJ's approach allowed the sidekick to do less (score 10-20 less).. and MJ led the bulls in assists most playoff runs, so his sidekick only needs to get defensive boards, which forwards do anyway

[Vino24]

That approach loses more than being the goat scorer, and actually requires equal scoring contributions from sidekicks to win..

MJ's approach allowed the sidekick to do less (score 10-20 less).. and MJ led the bulls in assists most playoff runs, so mj's approach only makes his sidekick get defensive boards, which forwards do anyway

The thing is that year required LeBron to carry the biggest load ever while simultaneously elevating teammates. Goat teamwork

[3ball]

The thing is that year required LeBron to carry the biggest load ever while simultaneously elevating teammates. Goat teamwork

If that were true he'd be a lot better than 3/9

3/9 proves that it was a fluke, where Kyrie hit the shot and Dray got suspended - one-offs that enabled victory.. heck, we know lebron ain't hittin' the last shot in the championship

Again, lebron's ball-dominant assists are easily replaced by ball movement, and he sacrifices perimeter defense for interior rebounds.. this normally loses in the championship, but even bad teams win once in a while, 3/9

[andgar923]

imagine if Jordan was capable of this

Because he has the ball more.. it's that simple.

MJ was also double and triple teamed while Bron literally gets single coverage for most of his career.

MJ also played in a team and offence that allowed for more ball movement. So his passes didn't directly lead to a shot. His passes usually led to another pass as the Triangle was more ball movement oriented and inclusive. Whereas Bron turns people into spot up shooters and his ball dominant style of play takes away time off the clock and forces less passing.

And MJ actually played GOAT level defence.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The goat did goat things.

That’s with only playing the last 20 or so games as a point combo guard. Where he brought the ball up and dominated the rock / time of possession and made all decisions.

Now just extrapolate that for an entire season or career of ball dominance and high usage rate like Westbitch, Harden and Le3/9, but with elite perimeter defense.

Instead he was trying to win, was more selfless, allowed other people to touch the ball, and became a high-volume scorer and play finisher.

[paksat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7fXMbgJgMM

it's ok

[egokiller]

Lebron in the playoffs averages more activity all around.

MJ never had the freedom of playing with a 27 ppg finals performer. He also never had a teammate put up 40+ ppg on 71.5% in a finals game.

He did so much more with so much less help.

[3ball]

MJ had to be the league's top scorer and 1st team all-defense for all his rings.. i.e. harden + 1st team defense

That's bigger than any burden lebron ever had - even in 1998, MJ was scoring champ and #4 in dpoy voting

And only MJ carried this burden - MJ is the only perimeter player that was scoring champ while winning a ring (6 times)

[ImKobe]

30.4/9.2/10.7/2.5 in 24 games as a PG, averaged 35/7/8 in the POs.

He was also close to a 50 pt triple-double in many games that season.

MJ's career numbers would look a lot better in a different system.