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[crisoner]

To what extent will we keep lowering standards for Nash? First we said he can play 32 mpg. Then we said he can only play 28 minutes. Then we said no more than 24 minutes, all up until now where we say "He shouldn't play in back to backs, and he shouldn't play in every game". At what point do we accept failure with the Nash project?

Kobe will be fine. He will have his game fine tuned to mid-range playing. He can still give us 22 points a game. Thats enough to keep the team above sea-level.

I'm pulling for Nash because I like the dude. But stick a fork in him the dude is done. Father time wins all the time.

As for Kobe....we will see. If he can change his game up he can still be a great piece to this team. He will never be the same elite player...but 22 points a night is good enough for me.

I just want a direction now....something to see what the plan is here.

We just paid out Kobe a boat load of money during his twilight years out of loyalty....but we are not contending for a title...and we are not in rebuild mode (are we?)

No coach...no direction...questions on Kobe and Nash's health....Kobe is getting waaaaaaay overpaid. Really what free agent would want to come here? We lost the legendary Lakers franchise title when Odom and Bynum got tossed out in that playoff sweep by the Mavs....and Dr. Buss past away.

[crisoner]

And no it's a PIPE DREAM...LeBron is not walking through that door to save us.

[mariodeathgrip]

I'm pulling for Nash because I like the dude. But stick a fork in him the dude is done. Father time wins all the time.

As for Kobe....we will see. If he can change his game up he can still be a great piece to this team. He will never be the same elite player...but 22 points a night is good enough for me.

I just want a direction now....something to see what the plan is here.

We just paid out Kobe a boat load of money during his twilight years out of loyalty....but we are not contending for a title...and we are not in rebuild mode (are we?)

No coach...no direction...questions on Kobe and Nash's health....Kobe is getting waaaaaaay overpaid. Really what free agent would want to come here? We lost the legendary Lakers franchise title when Odom and Bynum got tossed out in that playoff sweep by the Mavs....and Dr. Buss past away.

I think Nash has one good year left in him, if not buy out his contract, and pay it off in 3 part s in 3 year. Offer him assistant coaching job. Pat Riley would be great coach. LOL ny pipedream. Still... how does #1 draft getting hurt effect or pick? LOL posting on ny phone is so slow... lol

[longtime lurker]

The recent news about Embiid's injury really worries me.
That teams ahead of the Lakers would really avoid him and start focussing their attention on Exxum and Smart now. Heck, I think it'll be extremely risky now drafting a big guy with a pretty serious injury.

It's actually good news for us. That means if enough teams are scared off he could fall to the Lakers. Although the shitty part is I don't see the Celtics passing on him. Apparently Doug Mcdermott has refused a 2nd workout with the Lakers. Sounds like a team ahead of us has made him a promise. Which means we'll have a shot at 1 of Smart, Vonleh, Randle or Exum for sure.

Do you think we would be able to obtain Rondo with the 7th overall pick? Is that something Boston would consider? Is that a deal worth making? If yes, to keep the team competitive in free agency, do you think we can make a deal sign and trading Pau so that Rondo's contract doesn't use up cap space, and would therefore allow us to pursue other top young free agents to play next to Rondo and Kobe?

Yes and no. If you look at the history of what lottery picks have been traded I don't see many allstars in their prime. The 5th pick got Randy Foye, I think the 7th got over the hill Ray Allen and the 5th got Antawn Jamison on the last year of his contract. That's just off the top of my head, but I don't think the on a lottery pick is that great unless we're talking top 3. The only thing we have going for us is that most of the league is filled with PG's and the teams with cap space pretty much already have starting caliber guards plus Rondo's on the last year of his contract. We'd probably have to bring in a 3rd team to give up a draft pick. One interesting scenario could be a 3 team trade with Houston where Asik, Rondo, Terrence Jones go to the Lakers and Lin, 7th pick/#25 or Rockets pick future pick goes to Boston and Rockets get future 2nd rounders and cap space. We'd still have some space to resign our free agents and we'd be a strong playoff contender.

[mariodeathgrip]

Embiid, stick a fork in him, he's done. We dont need a screw loose. Unless we can sign and trade him. Byron Scott is our last choice, if we can't find better. But imo, not going to want ti olay for him. We got an option to build a championship tean now not 2 or three tears from now. The decision we make now Will effect us for the next 5-7 years. I believe uh n Jimmy, not his dumb sister, who probly plans on selling the team. Imo...ok

[dd24]

The idea of blowing it up truly means they will accept rebuilding and take back finances and young prospects.

Do you think we would be able to obtain Rondo with the 7th overall pick? Is that something Boston would consider? Is that a deal worth making? If yes, to keep the team competitive in free agency, do you think we can make a deal sign and trading Pau so that Rondo's contract doesn't use up cap space, and would therefore allow us to pursue other top young free agents to play next to Rondo and Kobe?

I think for the long term (and even short kind of) the Lakers have to draft someone with that pick. Even if it happens to be Randle, you have to do it. It's the only way to stay within the cap to still have the ability to go after superstars. I don't think people are lining up to play with Rondo necessarily. Sure guys like players who pass, but he does have a bit of an attitude to put up with (even more so than Kobe). As much as I'd like to have Rondo I don't want to give up the draft pick for him.

[mariodeathgrip]

We can't trade the pick for rando any way. We can't trade picks 3 years in a row. What ever that rule goes. Imo draft them then package them in a deal. Gasol might sign for less if we send him to, Zen Master knicks. We got so many options, to build a championship team for years to come. To bad jimmy was forced to trade for Howard. Damit!! :-) lol lol

[bladefd]

Ryan Russillo:

More Embiid fallout. Lakers could move Nash and #7 to Philly for MCW and T Young. 76ers would take Exum at #3.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-r...ng/2014/06/20/



Think that's a good move?? Nash/7th pick for Young/Carter-Williams.. After some thought, I think I would do it..

MCW
Kobe
N.Young
T.Young
Gasol

Still need a SF and maybe replacement for Gasol. Would not have a draft-pick this season though in a very deep draft.. Only thing that worries me

[dd24]

We can't trade the pick for rando any way. We can't trade picks 3 years in a row. What ever that rule goes. Imo draft them then package them in a deal. Gasol might sign for less if we send him to, Zen Master knicks. We got so many options, to build a championship team for years to come. To bad jimmy was forced to trade for Howard. Damit!! :-) lol lol

When people say trade the pick they realize that. It's drafting for someone else.

[dd24]

Ryan Russillo:


http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-r...ng/2014/06/20/



Think that's a good move?? Nash/7th pick for Young/Carter-Williams.. After some thought, I think I would do it..

MCW
Kobe
N.Young
T.Young
Gasol

Still need a SF and maybe replacement for Gasol. Would not have a draft-pick this season though in a very deep draft.. Only thing that worries me

I really like MCW. I think it's crazy for Philly to have all these rumors of trading him. What was so wrong with him that they don't want him? He seems like he's going to be a very good PG in this league for quite a while.

[bladefd]

I really like MCW. I think it's crazy for Philly to have all these rumors of trading him. What was so wrong with him that they don't want him? He seems like he's going to be a very good PG in this league for quite a while.

Maybe they're sold on Exum more than MCW?

Embiid's injury changes everything. Philly was going to get Parker or Wiggins most likely because Cavs were leaning towards Embiid. Now Philly has to decide between Exum or Embiid, and I do not see them getting Embiid after the Bynum debacle lol

[dd24]

Maybe they're sold on Exum more than MCW?

I would still think they could play together though. That backcourt would have the potential to be the best in the NBA. Both can guard either position and both can handle the ball. Outside shooting is something they need to work on, but a lot of rookies need to work on that. I would think they would draft Exum, they have Nerlens Noel (another rookie), then MCW, plus another lottery pick that could start too. That's an extremely nice young core that could be very dangerous in the East in a few years.

[GimmeThat]

Maybe they're sold on Exum more than MCW?

Embiid's injury changes everything. Philly was going to get Parker or Wiggins most likely because Cavs were leaning towards Embiid. Now Philly has to decide between Exum or Embiid, and I do not see them getting Embiid after the Bynum debacle lol

I think they may be sold on Exum more than MCW because of the Iggy/Turner experiment. With Noel suppose to be back, I think they prefer to have a shooting PG over a driving PG. Plus, they are really thin at the SG position, which means the team doesn't have enough shooters around MCW at the moment.

I think it's a great deal for the Lakers.

MCW ceiling could be a bigger Rondo. Trading Nash's contract for Young in order to turn the 7th pick into MCW is worth it in my opinion. As well as the fact that Young gives us a little bit of athleticism over the likes of Griffin/Ibaka, without knowing what happens with Jordan Hill (although this move most likely signals that we won't be able to keep him)


I think the sixers are trying to steal Embiid at #7 if he's still around there, and the fact is that even if he isn't, it means some other player that should have been drafted already will still be on the board (lets say if Smart goes before 7, they have the chance to fill up the PF role again right away)

With Noel/Embiid, I think that's two players that could work together. Assuming they are going to take that risk. And with what they have left at #10, it will be most likely on another player they see best fit with Exum.

[dd24]

^^ Exum definitely isn't a shooting PG. He's more of a driving guard too. His jumper needs some work still. I would also say Thaddeus Young is more of a SF than a PF. Sure he'll play some PF when a team is going small ball but I definitely wouldn't want him guarding guys like Griffin and Ibaka full time. I actually don't like a front line of Noel and Embiid at all. I think those guys would be better off with a player that can hit an outside shot next to them. It would be good defensively possibly, but offensively it would be difficult on the two of them.

[tamaraw08]

I agree with that statement about the tall guys too. A lot of them tend to break down. I love picking the first PG in the 1st round. That pick almost always works out. I think Embiid really has big time talent though. Those types of guys don't come around often. The thing with the injuries is they need to be looked at with the question of are they freak accidents or is this a guy who is injury prone. If it's the first no big deal. If it's the 2nd then stay away. None of us see his medical records and we aren't doctors so all we can do is speculate. Smart would be a great pick, Embiid could be the best C in the league in a few years. Either way, the Lakers end up with a great player so if we land one of those two it'll make the season worth it.

The bolded one is a valid point eventho I heard Philly consulted TWO specialists in looking at Bynum's med records before agreeing to trade for him and you and I witnessed what happened next..esp with that 11 Mil rent....
Injury is a major issue, another big one that we must consider is how these players respond after the surgery. The Bull's doctors cleared Rose to play. Derrick said, Ill consult my own doctor. His own doctor ALSO cleared him to play, he still said no.
Also remembered TMac and Marbury took forever. Then the work ethic and their mental approach. I remember Bulls got enamored with Tyrus Thomas when he played great at the NCAA, showed that athletism and the scowl of Garnett, that they drafted and traded LaMarcus Aldridge just to get him.
Max Kellerman brought up a point about Lakers history. Most of their great centers were not drafted by them. Wilt, Kareem, Shaq and even if you consider Howard as great. They didn't draft these great behemoths, they waited and made sure they are really good AND healthy, then they traded for them. They could use that same approach.