Guys who never have the career to match their individual ability but have to deal with 50 years of knowing that on the same floor....whoever you put against them was pretty close to their equal. Obviously guys like Duncan/KG/Dirk and Kobe/Lebron/Wade are on another level career wise but in everyones day....
You turn on a Celtic/Laker game Pierce and Kobe arent THAT far apart. Either might have 40. Both with shit teams:
Both have about 40. Pierce and Kobe both had chances to win it. Celtics won. Or the game 7 vs the Cavs when he gave Lebron 40 to win.
You know to a guy like Pierce that kinda thing stands out. On the same floor there is no career...just ball. And superstars in the same league are rarely as separated as history thinks when they elevate 2-3 guys and pretend nobody else existed.
Trying to decide if the contract the Warriors gave Webber was the dumbest ever.
They had one of the phenoms. A player of the future. THe new breed. Guy who could do whatever.
Webber is the odd man out in the all time power forward talk but you can hear how it eats at him when he talks his place in history. "Dirk, Tim, and KG know me real well..." is how he put it on NBA tv once. And I get it. He could do whatever he wanted.
Faceup and drive:
Takeover with jumpers.
Let the team play through him and use his passing to find cutters:
Not be setup at all. He could just bring it up and run what he wanted.....
Could give you the jump hook. One of the all time GOAT bigman athletes. Led the league in rebounds. Do it all guy. Came close to the 2 steals and 2 blocks a game mark at one point.
You know he looks at those all time lists and imagines all the guys who wouldnt actually be better than him playing on the floor together.
Duncans better than Webber....but at the time you turn on a Kings/Spurs game you arent expecting Webber to get his ass kicked. Just....a great matchup that was usually pretty close. Same for his matchups with the other top bigs.
But between injury, bad luck, ****ups, and so on....hes just never gonna be put on or even near their level. HEs not even in the best PF talk.
You get Duncan, KG, Malone, Dirk, Barkley and a mention of Mchale with someone giving Pettit and Hayes an honorary mention. All of them in their primes play a full season in the same league....Webber would be right in the mix. Just like David Robinson. With Hakeem, Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Moses, Wilt or whoever you wanna call the GOAT 5....on the same floor with Davis Robinson there wouldnt be THAT much difference. We remember he and Hakeem one way due to highlights and that series but in the early 90s people would have put Robinson over Hakeem. I wouldnt have....but I think most would. Plenty talked shit on Shaq and how he wasnt David or Hakeem at the time. Nobody would just look on a whole other level to Drob in the same league/game.....
But history says what it says because history isnt "How good was he though...." its a much more complicated question involving legacy and talking points and all.
You put first 3 years Orlando Tmac on the court with Heat Lebron it wouldnt be like.....two totally different levels of basketball being played. And it must suck to be the other guy....
Except for the money. The money would help. Speaking of which....ive been trying to decide something about one of these guys.....