If LeBron win two titles - is he top 5 all-time?

[swi7ch]

yes

[Quickening]

You said Lebron was the best all-around player...i beg to differ...

I don't care what you think, thats my opinion... efficiency is irrelevent to all around talent....

[midatlantic09]

Efficiency is great

But, it's a results oriented world we live in and Lebron has under-acheived in that area for 8 FRICKIN YEARS.

Efficiency is all that matters and he's on the same level as Jordan in that department. His lack of team accomplishments says nothing about his talent or skill as an individual player. Rather, it says the GM's of the teams he's played for didn't surround him with the talent required to win a championship.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Another contender for most retarded post of the year. He has actually made that Cleveland team overachieve year after year. Only last year they fell short.

True he did a lot without a lot of help in Cleveland but His disappearing act during crunch time of a lot of these playoff series weighs heavily in a lot of peoples minds.

Like I said broseph, it's a results driven world we live in.

[Rnbizzle]

True he did a lot without a lot of help in Cleveland but His disappearing act during crunch time of a lot of these playoff series weighs heavily in a lot of peoples minds.

Like I said broseph, it's a results driven world we live in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Px-jPm_TU

People have such selective memories..

[Kobe 4 The Win]

This thread is interesting in the respect that it shows th edifferent things that fans value about players.

Stats, skill set, efficiency, talent, regular season MVP's, championships, etc.

A lot of people are wrong but it's interesting.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Px-jPm_TU

People have such selective memories..

I like Lebron, I'm not trying to shit on him or take away from some of the great things that he has done. I'm looking at the whole picture dude. For every playoff clip like this I can show you another one. Him in a daze, standing in a corner behind the 3 point line while a playoff or NBA finals was being decided.

Who's being selective here? You show one great preformance like it's supposed to erase everything that happened before and after it. Lettuce be reality here Bro-Montana.

[trooper]

Compare Lebron and Bird's stats. If you do so, leaving team accomplishments aside, it's pretty clear who's the better, more efficient player.

Pauk is that you?

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

That would make him top-20, imo. Maybe top 15.
He needs to win 2 fMVPs just to negate his other two EPICALLY bad Finals performances.
Right now, he is at -2

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Compare Lebron and Bird's stats. If you do so, leaving team accomplishments aside, it's pretty clear who's the better, more efficient player.

If stats determined the better player, you MAY be right. Fortunately, they do not. To wit: 4th quarters of important games...like the Finals.
I'm guessing that you were not watching the NBA when Bird was playing.

[midatlantic09]

This thread is interesting in the respect that it shows th edifferent things that fans value about players.

Stats, skill set, efficiency, talent, regular season MVP's, championships, etc.

A lot of people are wrong but it's interesting.

For me, team accomplishments don't carry much weight when deciding how good an individual player is. Sure, it raises their stock, but the individual accomplishments must carry a lot more weight because the individual player is being evaluated; not his team.

Robert Horry has 7 championships, but those championships don't say anything about him as an individual player. They simply state that he was a member of a very good team that had all the right pieces (and coaches) to win the championship that year.

[bwink23]

This thread is interesting in the respect that it shows th edifferent things that fans value about players.

Stats, skill set, efficiency, talent, regular season MVP's, championships, etc.

A lot of people are wrong but it's interesting.

Take all that, put it in a blender and who tastes the best.

[Quickening]

Take all that, put it in a blender and who tastes the best.

So if Micheal Jordan had stayed on a scrubby team his whole career... would he not be regarded as the best ever, as he shown he couldn't win a championship without a stacked team.

[Kiddlovesnets]

He needs at least 5 titles to be top 5 all time, unless he averages monster stats like Wilt did. This way he might be fine with 2-3 titles only.

[Rnbizzle]

He needs at least 5 titles to be top 5 all time, unless he averages monster stats like Wilt did. This way he might be fine with 2-3 titles only.

Ridiculous.