Rose isn't the best player on the team this season

[dilley]

it would take a complete moron to argue otherwise. he should be here shortly.

[Inferno]

it would take a complete moron to argue otherwise. he should be here shortly.

nathan, where are you?

[Pointguard]

Those guys actually have heart though. Rose is his own category. Insanely weak mentally and quit on his team two years in a row when he could've played in the playoffs. He was never that good to begin with. 44% shooter who choked miserably against the Heat in 2011. That's his peak.

Its 2015, most people know that Rose knew something was not right in 2013. You are still 2013 because you are not mentally equipped to move on. He was MVP one year and he won primarily because of his heart in fourth quarter and the domination of the elite teams.

But it's been over 3 years now since we've seen him that way.

The signs are pointing to him being the next Grant Hill/Penny Hardaway.

Penny and Grant Hill were never among the fastest guys in the league after their injuries. So who is to say. That's just negative thinking on your part.

[DMAVS41]

He isn't the best player. I have Butler, then Gasol. With the teams playing the best team ball, its not that big of deal (Toronto, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, GS, Portland).

Still Rose qualifies for being the most important. If he's plays the way we once seen him play, they have the best chance of winning it all and their optimal play is in place.

I agree with this if you are talking about how Rose played in the regular season at times in the past.

But he's been super inefficient in the playoffs for his career. With a career 50.3% TS in the playoffs...considering he's going to have to score efficiently for this team to reach the level you are talking about...not much can be read into his "past"...

We have such a limited glimpse into what kind of player Rose really was/is. He's had a few solid regular seasons and he's never done anything of note in the playoffs.

Again, not really his fault, but it's just the truth.

Rose fans need to stop acting like we have 10 plus years of his great play or something. We just don't have that to draw on...and even if we did...not like the current Rose is anything like that guy from 11 in terms of role or play.

[Budadiiii]

Its 2015, most people know that Rose knew something was not right in 2013. You are still 2013 because you are not mentally equipped to move on. He was MVP one year and he won primarily because of his heart in fourth quarter and the domination of the elite teams.
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You say I'm not mentally equipped to move on but you mention 2011 like it was yesterday. How funny.

And Rose admitted it was all mental with him. Confidence. So I was right all along about him being a mentally fragile bitch scared of getting injured again. That's why he didn't play the last two years even though he was medically cleared.

But keep talking about "MVP" Rose as if it means anything. A guy who shot 44% and choked miserably against the Heat. Wow... what a peak! Not only will he never return to his 2011 form, but his 2011 form was never good enough to lead a team to a championship so it's a double whammy for dumb, delusional Rose stans like you.

Stay mad though that he's not even the 3rd most important player on the Bulls in 2015. He was never important to begin with. Defense and coaching won those games in 2011 and Thibs gifted Rose an MVP.

[Pointguard]

I agree with this if you are talking about how Rose played in the regular season at times in the past.

But he's been super inefficient in the playoffs for his career. With a career 50.3% TS in the playoffs...considering he's going to have to score efficiently for this team to reach the level you are talking about...not much can be read into his "past"...

Rose shot 49% and 46 FG% when he had shooters in the playoffs. In the other playoffs he won both series with an inordinate amount of the offense on his back. Things are very different now. A guy at 22 is very different than a guy at 26.

We have such a limited glimpse into what kind of player Rose really was/is. He's had a few solid regular seasons and he's never done anything of note in the playoffs.

He has a playoff record in his first game? There are a lot of players that have never won two playoff series on their back without finishers and shooters. You may not know but that's your choosing. I doubt I ever seen a player that young ever do it.

What you can definitely say, tho I know you are in denial, is that you know about Rose in this situation than any of the other players on the Bulls which is my only point in the first place.

Rose fans need to stop acting like we have 10 plus years of his great play or something. We just don't have that to draw on...and even if we did...not like the current Rose is anything like that guy from 11 in terms of role or play.

Aggression is aggression. CP3 is an advanced stat's guy dream. Westbrook's aggression nullified all of that efficiency and refinement. It takes ten years to see guys whose game doesn't have a pronounced character to it.

[Undisputed]

This subject has been approached in so many threads, and it's obvious that Rose is not the most productive player on the roster. Though everything is easier on the team and the Bulls win more with him on the floor than sitting out. Even through this stretch of him shooting poorly, he has made clutch plays late in games(not including yesterdays game were he was flat out terrible against the Jazz).

Gasol and Butler have been the true driving force behind this seasons success. But they both need Derrick Rose to be a real threat. And unfortunately Derrick Rose is still on the road to returning to a consistent player.

[Hotlantadude81]

Its 2015, most people know that Rose knew something was not right in 2013. You are still 2013 because you are not mentally equipped to move on. He was MVP one year and he won primarily because of his heart in fourth quarter and the domination of the elite teams.


Penny and Grant Hill were never among the fastest guys in the league after their injuries. So who is to say. That's just negative thinking on your part.

He hasn't been at the top of his game in years now.... He is still really young of course, but when guys get known for injuries it gets harder and harder to think they will return to the form they once had. Maybe something is wrong and that is why he is shooting poorly night after night right now.

Rose does not strike me as a very tough player and so his mind might not hold up after all of these injuries.

[tontoz]

Over his last 7 games Rose is shooting 25% while taking the most shots on the team.

[Human Error]

Would you argue Noah is ahead of him too ?

There is no argument that Noah has been a better and more important Bull than Rose this season. Only a true retard would think otherwise. Taj Gibson also has been a better Bull than Rose throughout the season consistently.

[tontoz]

There is no argument that Noah has been a better and more important Bull than Rose this season. Only a true retard would think otherwise. Taj Gibson also has been a better Bull than Rose throughout the season consistently.

In other words only nate and pointguard would think otherwise.

[HurricaneKid]

There is no argument that Noah has been a better and more important Bull than Rose this season. Only a true retard would think otherwise.

No argument? Every single stat other than anything FGA driven.

Taj has been better too. That makes him #5 at best. And given his last 7 games thats a stretch too.

PG is right, he is important. Because if he plays like this the Bulls are going to have a tough road come playoff time.

[imdaman99]

I don't think he's their best anymore but he's the closest they have to a closer. If he falters or doesn't play, they could be out in the 2nd round.

[JohnFreeman]

DJ Augustine been tearing it up

[Pointguard]

Wow, is this this bitter butt-hurt week at the Appollo? Folks falin out of tres to be counted among the kick a man wile he's down crew. Trust this speaks more about you than it will ever say about him. It seems you guys happiness is dependent on him not being healthy... which means you aren't healhy.And you are chosing to be unhealthy.

A man walks on the court at 60% and is constantly being compared here with the best on his team. That's the real convo here. I never started it but its obvious that some would be very uncomfortable with any improvement. WHY live like that?