Are You Wiling To Acknowledge Stern Got a Better Deal After His Veto?

[konex]

He did but the whole thing is still shady. Clipps were alseep at the wheel yet get CP3 cos of collusion..

[Eldrunko247]

It's not that much better dude. Younger talent yes because of the pick but not necessarily better talent.

[NuggetsFan]

Just did what any competent GM would do. That Demps guy was a fool. Who ships off a franchise player before training camp at the very first deal? After that NBA clearly waited it out, shopped him around, drove up his value and ended up getting the perfect package for there situation.

[NumberSix]

So it's not collusion to have the owners of the Mavs and Nets call up Stern and bitch that the Lakers shouldn't get that deal? Then he not only turns down the trade, but he VETO'S it. Didn't even know that is possible. So broke rule/set precedent/invented shit to save himself.

Well, technically, they're part owners voicing their opinion on the potential trade. They do own part of the team. Wouldn't it be odd if they DIDN'T have a say?

[GOBB]

What rules were broken? If Mitch made a trade sending Bynum to the Sixers for Iguodala and change? Buss would deny it. When you realize who owns the NOH you'll be able to seperate Stern the commish from Stern the owner.

[longtime lurker]

What the f*ck was he going to do with those three, win the championship?

They got a 23-year old SG who put up 22-4-3 last year, a dude who was picked 8th in the draft last year, a 29-year old legit center who played in an All-star game as recently as 2010, and on top of that, they got what will surely be a top 10, and perhaps even a top 5 pick next year.

But yes, let's all wonder how good the core of K-Mart, Scola, and Lamar f*cking Odom would have been 5 years from now.

Hey jackass no one said that the Hornets core will be K-Mart, Scola and Lamar. The Hornets could flip those players for more picks and assets. And I love how people assume the Minnesota pick is going to be a high pick, they aren't going to tank the season at best it will be late lottery. You guys aren't thinking clearly, I already said the trade the Hornets got was great, but you can't assume that they couldn't turned up more assets with the other trade.

[RazorBaLade]

Well, technically, they're part owners voicing their opinion on the potential trade. They do own part of the team. Wouldn't it be odd if they DIDN'T have a say?

Um no. They had to hire a 3rd party who would act as the final decision maker. Anything besides that would be wrong. Thats exactly what is wrong with collusion and why conflicts of interest are not allowed. It'd be like a judge sentencing himself for a crime he commited... Guess what hes gonna do.

Hint: It was the GM

[GOBB]

NOH has no leverage! They either take whats offered or lose Paul for NOTHING!





LAC Clippers send Eric Gordon, Kaman, Aminu AND Minny 2012 first rd pick to NOh for Chris Paul and a pair of 2nd rd picks



Wait what!

[HurricaneKid]

The veto was complete and utter bullshit. He did it to make an example of Chris Paul and punish the Lakers. This deal was better in the short term, but we still don't know what the GM would have done with Kevin MArtin, Scola and Odom.

Well we saw what the market was for Odom. The only team LA could get to take his contract was its arch rival and they got a top 20 protected pick sometime in the next 6 years. In English that means they got NOTHING. Martin is a horribly inefficient scorer who hasn't been on a playoff team since he was but a small role player 6 years ago. Scola is making 10M/ and his deal is for 4 more yrs. Its not a terrible deal but he is already an older player and it makes no sense as NO rebuilds. NONE of the deals was even decent. In contrast NO gets EJ for 3M this year, probably getting 10M in value this year alone.

People keep saying the Minny pick is 6-10. Vegas, who has all the money in the world riding on it, says otherwise. Their EV Win Total is the lowest in the NBA and there are only a few teams whose EVs are even close. This is comfortably a top 3 pick and likely a top 1 pick. Perry III and Barnes would have been the #2 pick last year and are likely 5-8 this year.

[DuMa]

Just did what any competent GM would do. That Demps guy was a fool. Who ships off a franchise player before training camp at the very first deal? After that NBA clearly waited it out, shopped him around, drove up his value and ended up getting the perfect package for there situation.

WojYahooNBA:
Unreal. The NBA is making Dell Demps talk on a conference call with David Stern tonight. Just unreal.

talk about rubbing stern rubbing it in his face

[NBA2k-Monster23]

I think the trade the hornets got was good. I am a Lakers fan but it is what it is. Hopefully the Lakers can get Dwight and send a bif F U to Stern.

[Meticode]

he got it by breaking the rules... but theres no doubt he got himself a great deal.

Sadly, he didn't break any rules.

[longtime lurker]

Well we saw what the market was for Odom. The only team LA could get to take his contract was its arch rival and they got a top 20 protected pick sometime in the next 6 years. In English that means they got NOTHING. Martin is a horribly inefficient scorer who hasn't been on a playoff team since he was but a small role player 6 years ago. Scola is making 10M/ and his deal is for 4 more yrs. Its not a terrible deal but he is already an older player and it makes no sense as NO rebuilds. NONE of the deals was even decent. In contrast NO gets EJ for 3M this year, probably getting 10M in value this year alone.

People keep saying the Minny pick is 6-10. Vegas, who has all the money in the world riding on it, says otherwise. Their EV Win Total is the lowest in the NBA and there are only a few teams whose EVs are even close. This is comfortably a top 3 pick and likely a top 1 pick. Perry III and Barnes would have been the #2 pick last year and are likely 5-8 this year.

Are you kidding me about Odom? The move was obviously a dumb panic move by the Lakers. His trade value is a lot higher than a trade exception, Lakers probably think they could use that exception to gain assets. Now onto Martin and Scola, they are supposedly horrible contracts and players yet they could net the likes of Pau Gasol. Something is not adding up, New Orleans wanted them for a reason and I wouldn't be suprised to find out that they had secondary deals lined up for them. And as far as the Minny pick think logically, if you're the GM of Minnesota you're not bringing in Adelman to coach a top 5 lottery team. You'll bring in veterans and make a playoff push especially knowing that hey WTF we don't have a pick this year. Look at what Adelman did for the Rockets last year, I expect to see something along the same lines with Minnesota either making a low playoff seed or just missing it.

[Rake2204]

NOH has no leverage! They either take whats offered or lose Paul for NOTHING!





LAC Clippers send Eric Gordon, Kaman, Aminu AND Minny 2012 first rd pick to NOh for Chris Paul and a pair of 2nd rd picks



Wait what!

That's why I've been so confused about this whole thing. I kept reading posts stating Chris Paul would never be able to be dealt after the initial Lakers trade was denied. I couldn't figure out why an acting owner of the Hornets had to take whatever was thrown out there right away.

For whatever reason, whether it was Demps making the wrong call or the owners making the right call (or a mix of both) the Hornets seemed to have been able to draw a much better deal. Works for me.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Are you kidding me about Odom? The move was obviously a dumb panic move by the Lakers. His trade value is a lot higher than a trade exception, Lakers probably think they could use that exception to gain assets. Now onto Martin and Scola, they are supposedly horrible contracts and players yet they could net the likes of Pau Gasol. Something is not adding up, New Orleans wanted them for a reason and I wouldn't be suprised to find out that they had secondary deals lined up for them. And as far as the Minny pick think logically, if you're the GM of Minnesota you're not bringing in Adelman to coach a top 5 lottery team. You'll bring in veterans and make a playoff push especially knowing that hey WTF we don't have a pick this year. Look at what Adelman did for the Rockets last year, I expect to see something along the same lines with Minnesota either making a low playoff seed or just missing it.

NOLA did have moves lined up. They were planning to flip Kevin Martin to Minny. Scola would have good trade value as well. None of the guys they would have received from Houston and L.A. would have been there by the start of the season except maybe Scola. They would have virtually gotten the same assets they got from the Clippers before (Picks, young talent, cap relief). But because it's the Lakers, it was a rip off for them.