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    Default Re: Is Efficiency Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by dubeta
    LeBron 57% scorer > Kobe 45% scorer
    Some read "is efficiency overrated" and understand "is efficiency overrated".

    Others read "is efficiency overrated" and understand "is LeBron James overrated".

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    Default Re: Is Efficiency Overrated?

    lebron 57%FG in the finals, but 40% (2/5) in the finals. efficient but not dominant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Shuttlesworth
    But this is ignoring the years where he missed the playoffs, or got knocked out before the finals.

    That argument died a long time ago too

    And you must have missed the part where OP is talking about efficiency as an individual player, not as a team. Rings are the result of a team, not just 1 individual player.
    Kobe has made more finals than Shaq, and has missed the playoffs one time, as many times as Shaq

    Anyways

    The best player on the 2011 Mavs team shot 41.6% in the finals

    Terriblely "inefficient" for a big man, or any star but anybody and everybody watching that series will tell you Dirk played extremely well

    Effeciency on an individual level is over valued, especially if that player is the main reason his team won

    Aka Dirk in the 2011 finals

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    Op is just trying to sneak diss lebron as usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoutPractice
    Some read "is efficiency overrated" and understand "is efficiency overrated".

    Others read "is efficiency overrated" and understand "is LeBron James overrated".
    Well to his credit, when you see who the OP, it's obvious that it's an agenda thread about LeBron. Almost all of OP's threads area bout LeBron. You'd even say he's efficient at making threads about Bron

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Kobe has made more finals than Shaq, and has missed the playoffs one time, as many times as Shaq

    Anyways

    The best player on the 2011 Mavs team shot 41.6% in the finals

    Terriblely "inefficient" for a big man, or any star but anybody and everybody watching that series will tell you Dirk played extremely well

    Effeciency on an individual level is over valued, especially if that player is the main reason his team won

    Aka Dirk in the 2011 finals
    Again... you're talking about team effort of making it to the finals and equating it to one player's work. Did Kobe not have an easier time making it to the finals when he played with Shaq, who was a 58-59% shooter? Did the Spurs not dominate the finals this year w/ efficiency?

    Sure Dirk had a great finals performance, but was he not efficient in the 4th quarter? And he's not your typical big man obviously, so expect 50+% from a jump shooter is asking a lot. If LeBron was taking more shots and shooting more efficiently in the 4th, would the Heat not have that ring? Everyone acknowledges that LeBron choked away that ring more than the Mavs won it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Kobe has made more finals than Shaq, and has missed the playoffs one time, as many times as Shaq

    Anyways

    The best player on the 2011 Mavs team shot 41.6% in the finals

    Terriblely "inefficient" for a big man, or any star but anybody and everybody watching that series will tell you Dirk played extremely well

    Effeciency on an individual level is over valued, especially if that player is the main reason his team won

    Aka Dirk in the 2011 finals
    That Mavs team had a overall higher FG% than the Heat, shot over 40% from three as a team for the series, and a higher ft%.

    It was obvious in that Finals that the Mavs three point shooting and supporting cast allowed Dirk to have the "41%" games that he had. Otherwise they would have just been blownout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navy
    That Mavs team had a overall higher FG% than the Heat, shot over 40% from three as a team for the series, and a higher ft%.

    It was obvious in that Finals that the Mavs three point shooting and supporting cast allowed Dirk to have the "41%" games that he had. Otherwise they would have just been blownout.
    I don't think he'll ever get it through his head that it was Mavs vs. Heat, and not just Dirk vs. LeBron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfan

    Well I doubt lebrons fg% is high in the finals anyway. But Kobe has had 1 finals series where he has scored over 30ppg (on something like 43%) and has had one finals where he has shot over 45% (02 I believe) and this is in 7 finals series. So he didn't dominate nor was he efficient, but somehow only managed to lose twice. It just speaks to the calibre of teams he has had with him.

    I don't wanna make this into a kobe vs bran debate but let's just say kobe isn't making the finals 5 times and might even only have one championship if he played on the same teams as bran.

    Do you honestly believe that 06-10 Kobe with the 11-14 HEAT aren't makin the finals 4 times

    Kobe while exciting his prime to a team comprised of Pau Gasol, Vlad Ramonovic, Luke Walton & Lamar odom to the finals in 2008

    Kobe with the 2010 Cavs with a front court of Andy V, Big Z, Jaminson, Shaq, JJ Hickson & Leone Powe and we would be hearing how its the deepest front court of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocaine80s
    Op is just trying to sneak diss lebron as usual

    The guy is a double face F@ggot. He already admitted that he is a huge Kobe fan, and not a Celtics fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoutPractice
    Some read "is efficiency overrated" and understand "is efficiency overrated".

    Others read "is efficiency overrated" and understand "is LeBron James overrated".
    The thread is definitely about Lebron. Dont get it twisted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Do you honestly believe that 06-10 Kobe with the 11-14 HEAT aren't makin the finals 4 times

    Kobe while exciting his prime to a team comprised of Pau Gasol, Vlad Ramonovic, Luke Walton & Lamar odom to the finals in 2008

    Kobe with the 2010 Cavs with a front court of Andy V, Big Z, Jaminson, Shaq, JJ Hickson & Leone Powe and we would be hearing how its the deepest front court of all time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J Shuttlesworth
    I don't think he'll ever get it through his head that it was Mavs vs. Heat, and not just Dirk vs. LeBron
    If you wanna look at it like that it was Dirk vs Wade, lebron didnt show up.

    Let me ask you something, was Dirk ineffecient in the 2011 finals??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Do you honestly believe that 06-10 Kobe with the 11-14 HEAT aren't makin the finals 4 times

    Kobe while exciting his prime to a team comprised of Pau Gasol, Vlad Ramonovic, Luke Walton & Lamar odom to the finals in 2008

    Kobe with the 2010 Cavs with a front court of Andy V, Big Z, Jaminson, Shaq, JJ Hickson & Leone Powe and we would be hearing how its the deepest front court of all time.
    This is just wasting time and is off topic.

    Kobe would have made the Finals in 2011 and 2012. Probably. Wade had declined way too much after that. Just like Kobe failed to make the Finals when Pau declined in 2011. And dont get me started on the years after.

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    Default Re: Is Efficiency Overrated?

    Championship efficiency is important.

    championships/years played (Kobe: 27.8%. Lebron: 18.2%)
    championships/finals appearances (Kobe: 71.4%. Lebron: 40%)

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