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Old 03-27-2019, 07:16 AM   #61
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Default Re: Peak for peak, LBJ vs MJ

Can we finally conclude the obvious at this point without having to rebump these threads?

Better season peak = LBJ
Better Finals peak = LBJ
Better single Finals game peak = LBJ

I could keep bumping this thread every time a noobie strolls through the forums but I feel most are aware of this by now? You can hate the info, maybe even twist it to fit an agenda, but it's all really true.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:58 AM   #62
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He is still not, and after this disastrous season, will never be the consensus GOAT, how badly does that infuriate you?
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:53 AM   #63
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I wonder why

well I mean ya know.. one guy has excuses, the other has rings

one guy hand built his team, the other took what was dealt to him

one guy is goat and it's not even close, the other is a manufactured wannabe

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Old 03-27-2019, 08:56 AM   #64
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He is still not, and after this disastrous season, will never be the consensus GOAT, how badly does that infuriate you?

MJ never was the goat so how/why would that infuriate me?

You're the one left explaining to others why MJ is #2 in virtually everything now.

Good luck with that
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:25 AM   #65
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No amount of trolling is going to change the reality that Jordan is at this moment the consensus GOAT, and that Lebron never will be.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:31 AM   #66
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No amount of trolling is going to change the reality that Jordan is at this moment the consensus GOAT, and that Lebron never will be.

Mike can be second, so SGOAT maybe

He leads in nothing so how can the number two guy jump up to number one becos of your feelings?
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:38 AM   #67
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Mike can be second, so SGOAT maybe

He leads in nothing so how can the number two guy jump up to number one becos of your feelings?
My feelings? This has nothing to do with any feelings whatsoever. It is simply an indisputable fact that Jordan is considered the consensus GOAT. Lebron had his shot and while still a great career, will never be the player that the majority of people feel is the GOAT, sorry.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:46 PM   #68
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Better season peak = LBJ


88' MJ had the better peak and it's not close:


Regular Season Peaks

JORDAN 88':. 35.0 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 5.9 apg.. 3.2 spg.. 1.6 bpg.. 60.3 ts
LEBRON 13':. 26.8 ppg.. 1.3 oreb.. 6.8 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 64.0 ts

JORDAN 88':. 34.1 usg.. 123 ortg.. 31.7 PER.. 21.2 ws.. 12.2 bpm.. 11.8 vorp
LEBRON 13':. 30.2 usg.. 125 ortg.. 31.6 PER.. 19.3 ws.. 11.6 bpm.. 9.8 vorp


No contest.. ..


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Better Finals peak = LBJ


MJ had the highest Finals series gamescores ever:






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Better single Finals game peak = LBJ

MJ had the better Finals series peak shown in the table above; one-offs are meaningless without goat ability over the entire series

And MJ's 47 gamescore in Game 2 against the 86' Celtics is 5 points higher than any game of Lebron's career.. And against a goat team


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I could keep bumping this thread every time a noobie strolls through the forums but I feel most are aware of this by now? You can hate the info, maybe even twist it to fit an agenda, but it's all really true

You can't bump shit because MJ had the best regular season peak (88'), the best Finals series gamescores, and the highest single-game gamescore (63 vs goat celtics)

Here's why no one is close to Jordan:



- most MVP's ever (11)

- #1 all-time championship frequency since the ABA merger (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%.. it's really 6 in 11)

- best raw stats (only MJ averaged 30/5/5 for career; 10 scoring titles and the best ppg and offensive efficiency of any wing)

- best advanced stats (only MJ is top 2 in PER, bpm, vorp, ws/48, and he set the plus-minus record in 96')

- most seasons with 1st team all-nba and 1st team defense (9 seasons.. and they were consecutive, so the highest frequency of 1st team awards - 19 in 10 seasons)

- never carried (only guy that was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series, and MJ led by average margin of 15.4 ppg over 2nd option)

- only player that never lost with a squad (1 or 2 seed), aka most unbeatable player, aka goat (kareem/lebron/magic, etc lost 6+ times each with 1 or 2 seeds; MJ was 6-0)

- only player to win multiple rings with just 1 all-star, except Kobe (Pau), Shaq (who had Kobe), and hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

- best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)

- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense

- highest gamescores for Finals series ever (all wins); highest gamescore ever for a non-winning series against a goat team (30.6 gamescore vs 86' boston, including a 47 gamescore in game 2)

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Old 03-28-2019, 12:16 AM   #69
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88' MJ had the better peak and it's not close:


Regular Season Peaks

JORDAN 88':. 35.0 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 3.8 dreb.. 5.9 apg.. 3.2 spg.. 1.6 bpg.. 60.3 ts
LEBRON 13':. 26.8 ppg.. 1.3 oreb.. 6.8 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 64.0 ts

JORDAN 88':. 34.1 usg.. 123 ortg.. 31.7 PER.. 21.2 ws.. 12.2 bpm.. 11.8 vorp
LEBRON 13':. 30.2 usg.. 125 ortg.. 31.6 PER.. 19.3 ws.. 11.6 bpm.. 9.8 vorp


No contest.. ..




MJ had the highest Finals series gamescores ever:







MJ had the better Finals series peak shown in the table above; one-offs are meaningless without goat ability over the entire series

And MJ's 47 gamescore in Game 2 against the 86' Celtics is 5 points higher than any game of Lebron's career.. And against a goat team



You can't bump shit because MJ had the best regular season peak (88'), the best Finals series gamescores, and the highest single-game gamescore (63 vs goat celtics)

Here's why no one is close to Jordan:



- most MVP's ever (11)

- #1 all-time championship frequency since the ABA merger (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%.. it's really 6 in 11)

- best raw stats (only MJ averaged 30/5/5 for career; 10 scoring titles and the best ppg and offensive efficiency of any wing)

- best advanced stats (only MJ is top 2 in PER, bpm, vorp, ws/48, and he set the plus-minus record in 96')

- most seasons with 1st team all-nba and 1st team defense (9 seasons.. and they were consecutive, so the highest frequency of 1st team awards - 19 in 10 seasons)

- never carried (only guy that was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series, and MJ led by average margin of 15.4 ppg over 2nd option)

- only player that never lost with a squad (1 or 2 seed), aka most unbeatable player, aka goat (kareem/lebron/magic, etc lost 6+ times each with 1 or 2 seeds; MJ was 6-0)

- only player to win multiple rings with just 1 all-star, except Kobe (Pau), Shaq (who had Kobe), and hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

- best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)

- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense

- highest gamescores for Finals series ever (all wins); highest gamescore ever for a non-winning series against a goat team (30.6 gamescore vs 86' boston, including a 47 gamescore in game 2)

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Meltdown with a lot of false info

MJ's 88 had a lower ORrtg than 13 LeBron but that was his best offensive year? Are you just admitting defeat at this point?

LeBron had an ORtg of 125
MJ had an ORtg of 123

You're not even trying anymore...125 ORtg is top tier elite

Seasons of 125 ORtg (or higher)
LeBron: 1
Jordan: 1
Durant: 1

Bird: 0 (peaked at 121)
Shaq: 0 (peaked at 120)
Kareem: 0 (peaked at 120)
Harden: 0 (peaked at 120)
Kobe: 0 (peaked at 115)
Iverson: 0 (peaked at 115)
Westbrook: 0 (peaked at 115)
Hakeem: 0 (peaked at 114)

Everyone knows this 3ball my boy what are you trying to do? You have to take the 125 or you lose by default obviously.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:34 PM   #70
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Best season vs best season

LBJ in 2013
ORtg: 125
DRtg: 101
WS: 19.3
VORP: 9.8
GmScore high: 44.2



MJ in 1991
ORtg: 125
DRtg: 102
WS: 20.3
VORP: 9.8
GmScore high: 42.3


Now all bullshit aside, this is a pretty epic peak for peak season versus season. No agenda, no hate. Just pure appreciation for both legends


I mean shit, they are literally nearly identical in every advanced analytical (which yes, accounts for pace). Simply astonishing.

Again, no hate, just love.

Reminder, it's

LBJ
MJ


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