Kobe Bryant or Dirk Nowitzki who's the bigger finals choker

[Deuce Bigalow]

when has the lived up to his hype and not choked in the finals under pressure?


and getting his ass carried by his teammates for 4 quarters just to make a few soft free throws....lol...


Where are Kobe's memorable finals highlights? HE'S BEEN TO SEVEN FINALS!!!


he has not lived up to his standards in the finals...hence....brick city choker

tell me when he choked when the game was close in the finals, show me

[DaPerceive]

At least we know they are both better than Lebron in that stage. Neither Kobe or Dirk are "chokers" in the finals anyways. That being said Kobe's 2004 Finals was much worse than any of Dirk's finals, but Kobe's 2009 Finals was much better than any of Dirk's finals too.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bryant. He plays like a bitch on the biggest stage.

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

[Jacks3]

lol. Cuntiva.

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year.

Can't forget what he's done for entire post-seasons as well:

2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

[32Dayz]

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

Nah.. but Shaq did in 00 and his entire Supporting Cast really came through for him in 2010.

His poor play also may have been part of the reason why his 04 and 08 teams didn't win Rings or contend more strongly.

[Legends66NBA7]

and lol @ your 2001 and 2008 analysis, complete bullshit, and fail to mention he was injured in '00

In 2000 after a great comeback win in Game 4 by him, why did Kobe go 4/20 for 8 points in Game 5 and 8/27 for 26 points 10 rebounds ? He missed 35 shots in the final 2 games even when he was "injured". Why is that ?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nah.. but Shaq did in 00 and his entire Supporting Cast really came through for him in 2010.

His poor play may have been part of the reason why his 04 and 08 teams didn't win Rings or contend more strongly.

2008? did you really blame Kobe for 08

you just keep getting dumber dude

[DaPerceive]

So Kobe is now getting blame for the 08 Finals? This is funny.

[Legends66NBA7]

At least we know they are both better than Lebron in that stage. Neither Kobe or Dirk are "chokers" in the finals anyways. That being said Kobe's 2004 Finals was much worse than any of Dirk's finals, but Kobe's 2009 Finals was much better than any of Dirk's finals too.

+1. Clearly.

[Deuce Bigalow]

In 2000 after a great comeback win in Game 4 by him, why did Kobe go 4/20 for 8 points in Game 5 and 8/27 for 26 points 10 rebounds ? He missed 35 shots in the final 2 games even when he was "injured". Why is that ?

are you saying he wasnt injured?
and I never said he had a good series in '00

[Jacks3]

lol. Cuntiva.

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year.

Can't forget what he's done for entire post-seasons as well:

2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

Let's look at this "choker" through his prime.

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

They mad.

[32Dayz]

2008? did you really blame Kobe for 08

you just keep getting dumber dude

Cmon dude.

Kobe was far from the only reason LA lost in 08 but he did play poorly in that series especially in 4/6 games so yeah his play was part of the reason they lost.

We both Know Kobe has had series where he's played really well but 2008 wasn't one of them.

[Legends66NBA7]

So Kobe is now getting blame for the 08 Finals? This is funny.

I would question his shot selection the most for the 08 Finals. They were pretty much outmatched after that but a loss is a loss. That team gave up in Game 6.

[Jacks3]

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

Great playoff performer, mediocre Finals performer. Despite all of that, I still thought he was the leader/best viable option on that team.