MJ speaks out against violence against blacks and cop killings

[TheWinningFam]

This is exactly it. Every problem is blamed on "systematic oppression" from mystical external forces. Never once is it noted that you're like 1000 times more likely to be killed by another black guy than you are a cop.

Denying and deflection is the root of systematic opression
While that that 1000 times more like statement isn't true lets just put it into context
Also As a white person you're also 1000x more like to be killed by another white person.. People usually kill people that look like them, that's not an excuse.



So you're saying its a big coincidence that all of a sudden all these black unarmed people are being shot by race soldiers?

The fbi released a report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement..

Now You have these race soldiers acting as cops going around killing unarmed black people

[DMAVS41]

Not the right forum...however;

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation

Police culture is an issue that needs addressing both in terms of what I will call racial bias and simply in better training to handle certain situations

Black people (specifically black males) commit an absurdly disproportionate amount of violent crimes in America relative to the percentage of the population they make up (there are many reasons for this...but this is just a fact)

Roughly 85% of all black males that get killed...get killed by other black males

Cops kill about 1,000 people a year...a pretty statistically insignificant number (not saying it doesn't matter...they can get better, but cops killing people...especially unarmed cooperating citizens...is just not a widespread problem)

These issues will only be solved once we have an open and honest conversation about what is actually going on in our society. Police culture has to change...our society has to continue to improve...however, the notion that it is "open season" on black people in our country is a false narrative.

Again...there is improvement needed on all fronts, but that can't and won't happen until we talk honestly and stop the divisions that make the problems and fear get worse and worse.

I'm on no side here...I just want things to get better. However, it is tough to see cops gunned down in my former city in large part because of this false and sensationalized narrative that cops are just killing innocent black people all day every day. It is not true...the facts should matter.

[TheWinningFam]

Indeed, blacks are quick to blame everything on other people, such as the whites, the cops and the government, but in reality all it takes is to make some positive changes on their own. I already made it sound simple enough, commit less crimes and the stereotype of blacks being dangerous will go away, thus cops will not shoot unarmed blacks anymore. Theres nothing you can do when they continue to commit crimes, especially with the way they are shooting cops with revenge mindset.

That's a dumb argument how for instance this man below supposed to stop or change someone in chicago from commiting crime?



Also, why do the blacks getting killed while unarmed have to change but the race soldiers doing the killing are allowed to roam free unpunished?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Denying and deflection is the root of systematic opression

Nope you are the one whos denying and deflecting the obvious truth. The US and Europe treat blacks surprisingly well compared to how South Africa is treating whites. How about the injustice suffered by whites in South Africa? Do people like you care about the rights of white people in South Africa?

And even in the US itself, Blacks still are treated much better than Asians. Do the cops shoot Asians? Nope they dont. So you cannot make an argument that police shoot unarmed blacks because they are racists, since if this argument is true they would've shot a lot more Asians.

So yeah, this so called systematic oppression is over-exaggerated, it is not an excuse to continue to commit crimes.

[DMAVS41]

That's a dumb argument how for instance this man below supposed to stop or change someone in chicago from commiting crime?



Also, why do the blacks getting killed while unarmed have to change but the race soldiers doing the killing are allowed to roam free unpunished?

Who argues that the police officers responsible for killing innocent black people or anyone for that matter..aren't responsible or should roam free unpunished?

Can't we condemn the behavior of certain individuals within the police and also talk honestly about reality?

[dgaras]

Not the right forum...however;

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation

Police culture is an issue that needs addressing both in terms of what I will call racial bias and simply in better training to handle certain situations

Black people (specifically black males) commit an absurdly disproportionate amount of violent crimes in America relative to the percentage of the population they make up (there are many reasons for this...but this is just a fact)

Roughly 85% of all black males that get killed...get killed by other black males

Cops kill about 1,000 people a year

These issues will only be solved once we have an open and honest conversation about what is actually going on in our society. Police culture has to change...our society has to continue to improve...however, the notion that it is "open season" on black people in our country is a false narrative.

Again...there is improvement needed on all fronts, but that can't and won't happen until we talk honestly and stop the divisions that make the problems and fear get worse and worse.

I'm on no side here...I just want things to get better. However, it is tough to see cops gunned down in my former city in large part because of this false and sensationalized narrative that cops are just killing innocent black people all day every day. It is not true...the facts should matter.

main reason is black subculture breeds hate and death. tis all

[TheWinningFam]

Nope you are the one whos denying and deflecting the obvious truth. The US and Europe treat blacks surprisingly well compared to how South Africa is treating whites. How about the injustice suffered by whites in South Africa? Do people like you care about the rights of white people in South Africa?

And even in the US itself, Blacks still are treated much better than Asians. Do the cops shoot Asians? Nope they dont. So you cannot make an argument that police shoot unarmed blacks because they are racists, since if this argument is true they would've shot a lot more Asians.

So yeah, this so called systematic oppression is over-exaggerated, it is not an excuse to continue to commit crimes.

Deflecting again to shit irrelevant to the discussion

The U.S constitution and bill of rights clearly state that all men are to be treated equally, yet how is it being treated equally if blacks are being racially profiled because of something someone's doing thats unrelated to that specific person?

There are no studies showing asians are discriminated against by cops more than blacks That's bullshit asians are the ones being racially profiled because a certain demographic commits more crime. And again there's no unarmed asians getting slaughtered by race soldiers.


I never said cops are racist, cops are completely fine, the problem is these race soldiers MASQUERADING AS COPS going around killing unarmed black civilians, The fbi released a report clearly stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement.

And then when this happens the cops almost never get charged, this is a big issue, How is it ok to shoot and kill an unarmed person because people unrelated to him other than by skin color commit more crime?

Black crime is not an excuse to shoot unarmed black people with their hands up.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Deflecting again to shit irrelevant to the discussion

The U.S constitution and bill of rights clearly state that all men are to be treated equally, yet how is it being treated equally if blacks are being racially profiled because of something someone's doing thats unrelated to that specific person?

There are no studies showing asians are discriminated against by cops more than blacks That's bullshit asians are the ones being racially profiled because a certain demographic commits more crime. And again there's no unarmed asians getting slaughtered by race soldiers.


I never said cops are racist, cops are completely fine, my problem is these race soldiers MASQUERADING AS COPS going around killing unarmed black civilians, The fbi released a report clearly stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement.

And then when this happens the cops almost never get charged, this is a big issue, How is it ok to shoot and kill an unarmed person because people unrelated to him other than by skin color commit more crime?

Black crime is not an excuse to shoot unarmed black people with their hands up.

Nope I was not deflecting, you were. You kept ranting at systematic oppression, I told you this so-called oppression doesnt really exist, as blacks are treated very nicely in the Western world, at least compared to how whites are treated in South Africa and Asians are treated in Western world. If you havent read that at all, go back to my previous post and read again. You are smart enough to read between the lines.

Why do cops shoot unarmed blacks, but not unarmed Asians? Because blacks are considered more violent, irrational and resistant to arrest. Blacks have to fix this problem themselves, by committing less crimes. If the crime rates stay this high, theres really nothing we can do. Even if we replace white cops by black cops, they will still shoot more blacks than whites.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

That's a dumb argument how for instance this man below supposed to stop or change someone in chicago from commiting crime?



Also, why do the blacks getting killed while unarmed have to change but the race soldiers doing the killing are allowed to roam free unpunished?

One case, or even two or three cases does not equal a "systematic" problem. None of the actual statistics back up what you're saying.

Plus the cop in this case was Hispanic. which is obviously why this isn't all over the media. So much for your KKK theory.

[HurricaneKid]

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation

Just read through this disgusting thread.

Holy ****.

[TheWinningFam]

Nope I was not deflecting, you were. You kept ranting at systematic oppression, I told you this so-called oppression doesnt really exist, as blacks are treated very nicely in the Western world, at least compared to how whites are treated in South Africa and Asians are treated in Western world. If you havent read that at all, go back to my previous post and read again. You are smart enough to read between the lines.

Why do cops shoot unarmed blacks, but not unarmed Asians? Because blacks are considered more violent, irrational and resistant to arrest. Blacks have to fix this problem themselves, by committing less crimes. If the crime rates stay this high, theres really nothing we can do. Even if we replace white cops by black cops, they will still shoot more blacks than whites.

Economic status and crime rate go hand in hand, the higher your economic status is, the least likely you are to commit crimes. and vice versa

Impoverished white males are actually statistically shown to be more violent and commit more crimes than impoverished blacks.
Yet all the unarmed people getting shot by race soldiers happen to be black

Awnser this question: is it justifiable to kill an innocent black, because of something impoverished blacks do?

Cops shoot more unarmed blacks than asians because white supremacist groups infiltrated law enforcement, verified by a report filed by the fbi. Also because of the fact that asians aren't discriminated against by law enforcement, again please cite something showing this, you keep saying this with no evidence.

[TheWinningFam]

One case, or even two or three cases does not equal a "systematic" problem. None of the actual statistics back up what you're saying.

Plus the cop in this case was Hispanic. which is obviously why this isn't all over the media. So much for your KKK theory.

The kkk had no problem endorsing George Zimmerman when he killed trayvon martin. He was a white Hispanic as well.

Also White hispanic, Hispanic is not a race.

The statistics show an unarmed black person is more likely to be killed by than police than an armed white person

I can post hundreds of cases of unarmed black people getting killed by police, then either the victim being criminalized because of his past, or the cop comming up with scenario of how they felt again ''In their mind'' and going unpunished. so either we have a long coincidence, or we have a system of white supremacy thats backed by a report filed by the fbi stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies across the country.

Why whenever an unarmed black person gets shot, there's always some type of excuse and not a result of the cops wrong doing?

[Bankaii]

Blacks get pulled over more because:

- they drive more recklessly (more prone to speeding etc.)

- they commit more crime (hence fit the profile of a suspect more)

There is nothing wrong with racial profiling so long as it is rooted in fact and fact is Blacks commit a lot more crime than whites (we can argue why this is, but it is simply a fact).

As far as the statistics go: it's about even between blacks and whites getting shot by cops, and even in terms of murders committed by blacks/whites...and Blacks are twice as likely to resist arrest.

Are there individual cases of scumbag/evil cops? Absolutely.

Are the police as a whole overly violent? maybe. I'm not even super opposed to body-cams.

Is there a "systemic" problem of the police killing black people over white people? Probably not.

Is this in the top 100 problems facing the black community? Hell no.

You're spouting out a lot of bullshit claims without any support to back it up.

Are you black? Have you ever been pulled over because you "fit a description" that typically is nothing similar to you? If not then you have no place to say.

"There's nothing wrong with racial profiling". Yea I'm done trying to debate this with you. It's obvious you're too much of a bigot to have an objective perspective.

Despite there being klan members and an obvious discriminatory attitude in the police force, it's not a "systematic" issue nor a major problem in the black community? Gtfoh

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The kkk had no problem endorsing George Zimmerman when he killed trayvon martin. He was a white Hispanic as well.

Also White hispanic, Hispanic is not a race.

The statistics show an unarmed black person is more likely to be killed by than police than an armed white person

Zimmerman wasn't a cop and that was another bullshit case anyways.

As a percentage of the population? yes. When factoring in crime rates and rates of resisting arrest (aka reality)? hell no.

[Bankaii]

The problem is that, the police usually cannot determine if the individual has weapon or not. There is a reason why when cop asks you to pull over, you have to stand still and make sure your hands are not moving. The cop needs to make sure you do not have dangerous weapon that can shoot him.

If you do anything suspicious, even when grabbing your driver's license from your pocket, its possible you get shot since police will mistake you for searching a gun in your pocket. It has happened before that someone pulled this trick and shot a policeman to death, the cops behave the way they do now for a reason.

Since the cops have no way to know if the individual has a weapon, they have to rely on intuition, common sense and past experience a lot. This is when blacks high crime rate comes into play, apparently police believe that blacks are more likely to take out a gun from his pocket, than whites and other races.

This is the root cause of unarmed black men getting shot, and again the only remedy is for blacks to commit less crimes so the stereotype that blacks are more dangerous and irrational will go away. Until that day happens, theres nothing we can do. Cops are human, they are not robots.

This is why they go through training dumbass.
You can't just going around shooting people like Rambo because you're scared.

If I shot every cop I saw that I feared might harm me would that make it ok?