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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
    His team lost... that's how sport goes
    why his team lost tho?

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    Ray Allen = Manu Ginobili

    Case Closed.

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    You're really trying to prop up brons final performance?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M


    Most pathetic series ive ever seen from a superstar.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
    Kawi Leonard is the 2014 Finals MVP with Averages of:

    17.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.0 APG / 1.6 SPG = 18/6/2/2 on 61%

    You know who those statistics remind me of?

    LeBron's 2011 Finals:

    17.8 PPG / 7.2 RPG / 6.8 APG / 1.7 SPG = 18/7/7/2 on 48%

    (Now obviously the Kobe fans don't care about fg%, efficiency doesn't mean shit...)

    I'm not saying Kawhi played shit, I'm saying LeBron played good.
    He had a Magic/Bird type finals series.
    Not great, good.
    Problem for LeBron, his standarts/ceiling is much higher... He needs to be/should be, great... He was the team's best player in 3 of 6 games (game 1 + game 5 + game 6), but for the team to win he needs to be the best at all times, he needs to be great.
    Yet he still came close to another title/finals mvp.

    The fact he was slayed for this series just shows you how superior he is to Magic/Bird, who both have pulled off indentical finals series'.
    And won doing so...
    Magic in '82: 16/11/8
    Magic in '83: 19/8/13 on 40%
    Magic in '84: 18/8/14
    Magic in '85: 18/7/14
    Magic in '89: 12/4/8
    Magic in '91: 19/8/12 on 43%
    Bird in '81: 15/15/7 on 42%

    People were praising the all-around game. Of course not all of those series' are good, but when LeBron gives you a near 20/7/7 on 50% series, that's good, despite the low 4th quarter scoring and 8 point game.


    Oh, and Kawhi will have a Pippen type career...
    Stats don't tell the whole story. The difference is Lebron had no player of his caliber guarding him in the 2011 Finals and he still wilted as the series went on playing hot potato with the ball standing around looking passive and scared. Kawhi Leonard had "supposedly" the greatest player on the planet guarding him and only got stronger and more confident as the series went on and continued to make impact plays on both ends of the floor.

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    One was playing awesome defense and shooting on remarkable efficiency; the other went AWOL in each 4th quarter, was getting blown by by the likes of Jason Terry, and basically just played like shit without even having an elite defender guarding him.

    Seriously OP, every single one of your posts is just

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    really? youre using stats to try to convince people that both were the same performances when clearly lebron shit his pants and kawi was a key factor in winning.

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    Eh, LeBron's defense in 2011 was amazing... especially before the finals. IMO, arguably his best defensive season.. dude was a bull, one-on-one and great at helping as he's always been.

    The season he was blackmailed from the media. 9th in DPOY ranking and 3rd in MVP ranking... ok

    Yeah, his 4th quarters made 2011 worse... his defense was fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfan
    You're really trying to prop up brons final performance?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M


    Most pathetic series ive ever seen from a superstar.




    Did you just sent me a "Brick Mix" where he was shooting 48% throughout the series, and then an opponent calling him "bitch" ?

    Cmon bro, you better than that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
    Eh, LeBron's defense in 2011 was amazing... especially before the finals. IMO, arguably his best defensive season.. dude was a bull, one-on-one and great at helping as he's always been.

    The season he was blackmailed from the media. 9th in DPOY ranking and 3rd in MVP ranking... ok

    Yeah, his 4th quarters made 2011 worse... his defense was fine.
    He quit on defense in the Finals. Got lit up by Jason Terry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavincent
    He quit on defense in the Finals. Got lit up by Jason Terry
    Can't do much when the guy is hitting 30 feet bombs with a hand in his face on a late shotclock.. just gotta give props

    Great offense beats great defense... thats how it is, kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
    Can't do much when the guy is hitting 30 feet bombs with a hand in his face on a late shotclock.. just gotta give props

    Great offense beats great defense... thats how it is, kids
    He was getting blown by by Jason Terry. Go watch the series again because you've evidently blocked it from your mind.

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    Yeah, agreed with Dresta and Heavincent. Scoreboard won't show how shitty LeBron played on the defensive end. His D was bad in 2011 Finals but even more pathetic this year.

    Game 3 Leonard abused him in the post, while Green burned him with a handful of easy baskets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dresta
    He was getting blown by by Jason Terry. Go watch the series again because you've evidently blocked it from your mind.
    That was one epic finals series mang... I flipped out when Jet hit that 3.

    I actually wanted Chicago to beat your team because I feared Miami would beat Mavs... Dirk

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
    Can't do much when the guy is hitting 30 feet bombs with a hand in his face on a late shotclock.. just gotta give props

    Great offense beats great defense... thats how it is, kids
    No. He was halfheartedly swiping at the ball as Terry blew by him. Very James Haren esque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavincent
    No. He was halfheartedly swiping at the ball as Terry blew by him. Very James Haren esque.
    Eh, a play here or there won't change his defense in the big picture much... We all make mistakes, friend

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