Lebron is top 10 in Finals PPG

[StrongLurk]

top 10 in PPG averages as well as totals...Basically cements Bron's status as a top 10 player of all time AT WORSE, considering scoring isn't even his best skill

[LAZERUSS]

top 10 in PPG averages as well as totals...Basically cements Bron's status as a top 10 player of all time AT WORSE, considering scoring isn't even his best skill

Agreed. Top-10 all-time.

[3ball]

Lebron is top 10 in Finals PPG

You want a cookie?..

Did Lebron lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg like Jordan did?........ No, he didn't - he had many series and even entire playoff runs where he wasn't the team's leading scorer - NO all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan.

top 10 in PPG averages as well as totals

MJ scored 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) and clutch - these things take more energy, are more valuable, and control the game better than Lebron's 2.5 def rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more on better efficiency who wasn't considered the better player.

In addition to carrying a FAR greater scoring load, MJ led his team in passing, just like Lebron - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.

Ultimately, MJ's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.

This cements Lebron as top 10 all-time

[COLOR="DarkRed"]No it doesn't, due to collusion.. How many guys would go 2/4 if they teamed up with 2 other guys who were top 5 in PER?
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[COLOR="Navy"]What if David Robinson teamed up with Drexler and Shawn Kemp?

What if Isiah Thomas teamed up with Bird and McHale?

What if Karl Malone teamed up with Hakeem and Grant Hill?[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]This is why Lebron isn't top 10 all-time - MANY players in history could've done gone 2/4 by teaming up.[[/COLOR]

[3ball]

Agreed. Top-10 all-time.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Nope, due to collusion.. How many guys would go 2/4 if they teamed up with 2 other guys who were top 5 in PER?[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]What if David Robinson teamed up with Drexler and Shawn Kemp?

What if Isiah Thomas teamed up with Bird and McHale?

What if Karl Malone teamed up with Hakeem and Grant Hill?[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]This is why Lebron isn't top 10 all-time - MANY players in history (100 or more) could've done gone 2/4 by teaming up with 2 other top 5 guys.[[/COLOR]

[LAZERUSS]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Nope, due to collusion.. How many guys would go 2/4 if they teamed up with 2 other guys who were top 5 in PER?[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]What if David Robinson teamed up with Drexler and Shawn Kemp?

What if Isiah Thomas teamed up with Bird and McHale?

What if Karl Malone teamed up with Hakeem and Grant Hill?[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]This is why Lebron isn't top 10 all-time - MANY players in history (100 or more) could've done gone 2/4 by teaming up with 2 other top 5 guys.[[/COLOR]

Look, I know for some reason you hate the guy.

But here is his resume...

4 time MVP
2 time FMVP
2 rings as the main guy
7 Finals (and maybe another FMVP and ring...tbd)
Scoring title.
Playoff scoring average of 28 ppg.
Top-10 in many playoff and finals statistics.
Defensive awards.
First-Teams

Now...you give me a list of Top-10 players that exceed that resume.

[3ball]

But here is his resume...

4 time MVP
2 time FMVP
2 rings as the main guy
7 Finals (and maybe another FMVP and ring...tbd)
Scoring title.
Playoff scoring average of 28 ppg.
Top-10 in many playoff and finals statistics.
Defensive awards.
First-Teams

Now...you give me a list of Top-10 players that compare to that resume.

Wilt
Russell
MJ
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Hakeem


That's 10 guys and we haven't diminished Lebron's rings due to collusion yet, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT that you're ignoring - his rings are tainted by collusion.

How many guys could go 2/4 by teaming up with 2 other top 5 guys?... How many guys could go 2/7 by team-hopping twice to play with all-stars?.. you haven't answered this question, even though I answered yours.

The only guys that would underachieve by going 2/4 and 2/7 are Karl Malone-level players, not top 10, Magic/Bird/Jordan-level players..

REAL top 10 players would do better than 2/7 if they got to pick (twice) which big 3 they wanted to play with.

[riseagainst]

2/7 doesn't cement someone as top 10

[HenryGarfunkle]

Look, I know for some reason you hate the guy.

But here is his resume...

4 time MVP
2 time FMVP
2 rings as the main guy
7 Finals (and maybe another FMVP and ring...tbd)
Scoring title.
Playoff scoring average of 28 ppg.
Top-10 in many playoff and finals statistics.
Defensive awards.
First-Teams

Now...you give me a list of Top-10 players that exceed that resume.

Looks like a top 3 resume to me.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Wilt
Russell
MJ
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Hakeem


That's 10 guys and we haven't diminished Lebron's rings due to collusion yet, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT that you're ignoring - his rings are tainted by collusion.

How many guys could go 2/4 by teaming up with 2 other top 5 guys?... How many guys could go 2/7 by team-hopping twice to play with all-stars?.. you haven't answered this question, even though I answered yours.

The only guys that would underachieve by going 2/4 and 2/7 are Karl Malone-level players, not top 10, Magic/Bird/Jordan-level players..

REAL top 10 players would do better than 2/7 if they got to pick (twice) which big 3 they wanted to play with.

You're running out of material my dude. Nobody buys the collusion argument, because it has nothing to do with basketball.

If anything, leaving a team in his prime for another BOOSTS his legacy. It took Jordan YEARS to cultivate a winning chemistry with his all-time stacked team and GOAT head coach.

LeBron had to build chemistry on the fly with a rookie head-coach and no depth...

Your argument actually helps LeBron's case.

Worst material I've seen from you yet.

[Straight_Ballin]

2/7 doesn't cement someone as top 10

And what makes it worse, is that the 2 rings he did win had 2 other guys on the team that were top 5 in PER!

So winning his only 2 rings under that fact and choking 5 other times despite having a team that brought him to the finals each of those years is somehow top 10 worthy.

[HenryGarfunkle]

And what makes it worse, is that the 2 rings he did win had 2 other guys on the team that were top 5 in PER!

So winning his only 2 rings under that fact and choking 5 other times despite having a team that brought him to the finals each of those years is somehow top 10 worthy.

2012 Playoffs:




2013 playoffs: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...3/seasontype/3

[imnew09]

and only 2/7

Biggest stat pat of ALL TIME

[Lebron23]

[Straight_Ballin]

2012 Playoffs:




2013 playoffs: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...3/seasontype/3

Did I say top 5 PER? I meant to say TOP FOUR.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...cs/_/year/2010

Nope....joining with two other players who are TOP FOUR in PER is definitely not collusion.

[tmacattack33]

This is why Lebron isn't top 10 all-time - MANY players in history could've done gone 2/4 by teaming up.[[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Bosh went out 2012 in the second round.

Irving and Love were injured in 2015.

So, no, there are not many players who could have even gotten to the Finals those years. There's about probably about 4 or 5 in the history of the game of basketball who could have done that.