I'd take Russell > Jordan.

[tikay0]

Damn, I thought you and Samurai were the same people.

LMAO. I'm a Bulls homer. He's an MJ homer.

[Akhenaten]

You meant the 60's, when he was winning championships?

And stop trolling SamuraiSwish.

Huh? difference does it make? he played 4 seasons in the 50's, regardless, did you witness him play?

[NumberSix]

Yes, he won chips in the 50's, but a majority of them were in the 60's.

You use your corny emoticons like you're a 5th grader.

Translation: "Oh fcuk. I didn't know that. I've just been repeating what I've heard from multiple sauces."

[IGOTGAME]

Just an FYI: Russell was surrounded by four-to-five other HOFers his ENTIRE career and often played weak ball clubs who barely had winning records (or even had losing records) in the finals.

Not just that, his Celtics only had to play 2-3 rounds to win a ring.

I have no issue with anyone taking Russell over Jordan. The guy the GOAT winner. I just think Mike was a better 2-way player, and unlike Russell, had no weakness dominating on BOTH ends of the floor.

guards inherently have a weakness dominating on the defensive end of the floor.

[tikay0]

Just an FYI: Russell was surrounded by four-to-five other HOFers his ENTIRE career and often played weak ball clubs who barely had winning records (or even had losing records) in the finals.

Not just that, his Celtics only had to play 2-3 rounds to win a ring.

I have no issue with anyone taking Russell over Jordan. The guy the GOAT winner. I just think Mike was a better 2-way player, and unlike Russell, had no weakness dominating on BOTH ends of the floor.

Russel and Chamberlain faced various legends on a nightly basis, yet still were known as the best players of their generation. Throughout the decade, the two were subject to strong competition Some of the great players Russel and Chamberlain faced included:

1960-1964:

Dolph Schayes
Bob Pettit
Walt Bellamy
Jerry Lucas

1965-1968:

Willis Reed
Elvin Hayes
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond

1969-1972:

Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Bob Lanier
Artis Gilmore
Billy Cunningham
Dave Cowens

And they were facing those guys on the regular.

[Akhenaten]

Translation: "Oh fcuk. I didn't know that. I've just been repeating what I've heard from multiple sauces."

haha, dude exposed him self.

clown.

[tikay0]

haha, dude exposed him self.

clown.

How many alts do you have Numbersixx? It's pathetic. You're a little hick from Indiana that root for the Lakers, and your favorite player is Lebron.

You're a cornball kid.

[tikay0]

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Fan of MJ, not the Bulls.

[NumberSix]

How many alts do you have Numbersixx? It's pathetic. You're a little hick from Indiana that root for the Lakers, and your favorite player is Lebron.

You're a cornball kid.

The words of an embarrassed victim of the ether.

[SamuraiSWISH]

where do you get off calling people "kid," and then saying stupid shit like this?

He's in my top ten, don't get your undies in a twist. And you both are kids. tikay0 more so ... I know for a fact that neither of you two watched Russell growing up in context. And here is tikay0 with his trying so desperately hard re-vamped ISH image of being an "un-biased / knowledgeable poster" ... I see right through that shit.

Apparently I'm not a Bulls fan, either. Just an MJ homer. Or whatever that means. Why? Because I can tell you precisely why I'd choose MJ over Russell? Given he was the best player on both sides of the ball, won 6 rings in a more competitive era with a roster as it related to the rest of his contemporaries that wasn't as stacked as Russell's Celtics of the 60's?

tikay0 isn't a Bulls fan, or even an MJ homer. He's a slave to ISH popular perception, because he actually cares about his "reputation" on here. Thus the sudden re-invention in trying to sound like a knowledgeable fan, spouting off things he has heard other people say.

BTW, what about any of my post on Bill Russell has anything to do with me being a Bulls fan or not? Not a single mention of the Chicago franchise.

Russell was a defensive stopper. His offensive game, was at times particularly weak. For 7 of his rings, he wasn't the leading scorer or sometimes second or even third leading scorer on his team. That's how stacked the Celtics were ... and how other players on that team were MAJOR superstar caliber contributors, just like Russell's unique niche on defense and the glass.

Russell was incredibly smart, and a great leader. He was a piece of a huge Boston Celtics puzzle. He was yearly the best player on his defense for his team, that much is acknowledged. But of his 11 championships, he's probably only the best player on 3 or 4 of those teams, undisputed. People act like he was easily the most important player on both sides of the ball for the Celtics. What about that makes him different than Ben Wallace? What about that makes him so much better than a Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, or Duncan?

[tikay0]

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Fan of MJ. Not the Bulls.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And they were facing those guys on the regular.

Are you suggesting Russell had more competition?

[SamuraiSWISH]

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Fan of Bill Russell / Celtics ... not a fan of the Chicago Bulls or MJ.

ISH reputation whore.

[tikay0]

Fan of Bill Russell / Celtics ... not a fan of the Chicago Bulls or MJ.

ISH reputation whore.

Fan of MJ, not the Bulls.

Reputation whore? You know how much I talk shit about Lebron/Kobe? I'm not Numbersixx, I don't attract the lowest common denominator.

IMO, keyword, IMO, I'd take Russell over MJ, if I were to start a franchise. Why you so butt hurt? You're acting like I called MJ a bum.

[NumberSix]

Fan of Bill Russell / Celtics ... not a fan of the Chicago Bulls or MJ.

ISH reputation whore.

I've literally never seen the kid say a thing about Bill Russell until the past few days. He obviously has no knowledge whatsoever of Russell's history. He hears Phil Jackson say he'd pick Bill Russell, and out of the blue, he's been dick riding him the last few days. He's not smart enough to understand that smarter people have the capability of seeing exactly what he's doing.