Lebron "had no help" in Cleveland

[dh144498]

This. People always forget the Cavs were an elite defensive and rebounding team, a good recipe for successes in the 00s Eastern Conference as we seen Iverson, Kidd and Dwight make it to the Finals with a cast that didn't look that great on paper either.
Recap of the ECF:
Game 3: James carried the load with 32/9/9, but a big key was also Cleveland's defense holding Detroit to 82 points, funny how people often ignore that and act like basketball is just one side of the basketball, defense is half of the game after all. So with Cleveland's defense doing such a great job, LeBron didn't need that much offensive support, having 3 teammates in double figures(Z- 16, Pavlovic- 13, Gooden- 12) was more than enough.

Game 4: LeBron had 25/7/11, but again, Cleveland held Detroit to just 87 points and Daniel Gibson scored 21 points on great efficiency(4/7 from the field, 12/12 from the line) and Gooden also had 19/8.

Game 5: This is about as close as a player can come to winning a game by himself, we all know about Lebron's 48/9/7 game.

Game 6: Lebron had 20/14/8, though his efficiency was poor (3/11 FG, 14/19 FT), but again Cleveland's defense shut down Detroit. The Pistons scored just 82 points and Daniel Gibson led all scorers with 31 points on amazing efficiency (7/9 FG, 5/5 3P, 12/15 FT).

dam...... straight ether.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

2007 vs Pistons
- Game 5, you have to admit was all LeBron. but what about the other games?
- the Cavs defense shut down the Pistons to 86 ppg for the series after 96 ppg in the season. A 10 ppg decrease
- Game 1 - Lebron 10 pts on 33%, Cavs only lost by 3
- Game 2 - LeBron 19 pts on 37%, 6 assist to 7 turnovers, Cavs only lost by 3
- Game 6 - LeBron 20 pts on 27%, Gibson drops 31-6-2 on 78%, and Cavs shut down Pistons to 82 points on 36% shooting to send them to the Finals

2007 vs Spurs
- Spurs averaged 98.5 ppg in regular season, Cavs defense held them to 86.5 ppg. Spurs had a 12 ppg decrease against Cavs defense.
- Cavs defense hold Duncan to 45% shooting after 55% in regular season.
- Game 1 - Lebron 14 pts on 25% shooting, 7 rebs and 4 assist to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 9
- Game 3 - Lebron 25 pts on 39%, 7 ast to 5 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 3 as Lebron missed game-tying 3
- Game 4 - 24 pts on 30 shots (33% shooting), 10 ast to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 1 as Lebron goes 2/6 from the FT line.

2008 vs Celtics
- Cavs defense shut down Celtics to 84 ppg for the ECSF after they averaged 100 ppg in the regular season. Celtics had a 16 ppg decrease against Cavs defense
- Game 1 - Lebron 2/18 shooting with 10 turnovers. In the 4th quarter, he had 1-8 FG, 0 FT, 2 points, and went 0/4 FG in the final minute including a missed game tying shot attempt with 10 seconds left. Cavs only lose by 4 after being forced to foul. "Never had any help"
- Game 3 - Lebron 21-5-8 on 31% shooting, Delonte West has 21-5-7 on 64% shooting, and Celtics get shut down to 84 points by Cavs defense.
- Game 4 - Lebron 35% shooting and Cavs still get the win because the Cavs defense shuts down Celtics to 77 points on 39% shooting
- Game 6 - Lebron 39% shooting and 6 assists to 8 turnovers. Cavs still win because their defense shut down Boston to 69 points
Boston averaged 100 ppg in the regular season and the Cavs defense never let the Celtics reach 100 points once in the 7 game series. "LeBron did it all by himself"
- Game 7 - Lebron has a great game of 45-5-6-2 on 48%. Too bad his overrated defense got exposed and cost them the game as he allowed Pierce to drop 41-4-5-2 on 57% and send him home. This was the only time that LeBron consistently guarded Pierce in the series, and was lit up as expected.

2010 vs Celtics
- Cavs are up 2-1, then in the next 3 games combined Lebron averages 34% shooting with 8 assists to 6 turnovers a game, and the Cavs go 0-3 and get sent home
"LeBron always showed up in every single game. He is never to blame"

Lebron fans love to mention the Cavs going from 61 to 19 wins after LeBron left, but they never mention the injuries to Williams, Jamison, and Varejao for large portions of the season, as well as Shaq and Ilgauskus leaving and the Cavs bringing in a new coach. Half the team was gone or injured.

The Cavs had a top 10 defense every year from 2005/06 to 2009/10. After all those pieces were injured or left, the Cavs fell to a top 10 worst defense in the league. Sorry, but LeBron by himself isn't responsible for all of the Cavs' success. Especially since now, he rejoined the Cavs and they have a not top 10 ppg allowed defense and top 10 worst Drtg as of the 2015 All-star break.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2007 vs Spurs
- Spurs averaged 98.5 ppg in regular season, Cavs defense held them to 86.5 ppg. Spurs had a 12 ppg decrease against Cavs defense.
- Cavs defense hold Duncan to 45% shooting after 55% in regular season.
- Game 1 - Lebron 14 pts on 25% shooting, 7 rebs and 4 assist to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 9
- Game 3 - Lebron 25 pts on 39%, 7 ast to 5 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 3 as Lebron missed game-tying 3
- Game 4 - 24 pts on 30 shots (33% shooting), 10 ast to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 1 as Lebron goes 2/6 from the FT line.

the bolded is why I think it's crazy to give Lebron a pass for 07

his team lost the final two games AT HOME by a COMBINED 4 POINTS with Lebron playing like ass in both games

but according to Lebron stans "it didn't matter how Lebron played, they still lose"



if he just plays to his averages in games 3 & 4 the series is tied going into game 5

[edrick]

the bolded is why I think it's crazy to give Lebron a pass for 07

his team lost the final two games AT HOME by a COMBINED 4 POINTS with Lebron playing like ass in both games

but according to Lebron stans "it didn't matter how Lebron played, they still lose"



if he just plays to his averages in games 3 & 4 the series is tied going into game 5

Unfortunately for Lebron, he didn't have Shaq down low giving him space and grabbing his bricks. The Spurs forced Lebron into a jump shooter in 2007, when that is by far the weakest part of his game, and it worked.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Unfortunately for Lebron, he didn't have Shaq down low giving him space and grabbing his bricks. The Spurs forced Lebron into a jump shooter in 2007, when that is by far the weakest part of his game, and it worked.

and unfortunately for you, you've got nothing to refute what has been said so you bring up Kobe like an insecure bitch would

[edrick]

and unfortunately for you, you've got nothing to refute what has been said so you bring up Kobe like an insecure bitch would

I didn't bring up Kobe at all. Whatever you say though. The Spurs turned Lebron into a jump shooter, he couldn't hit the shots, it's pretty ****ing simple. Nothing to refute. If Lebron had a legit big down low to draw attention away from him and not collapse when he drove, it may have been a closer series. Pop's strategy was to force someone other than Lebron to beat them, they couldn't.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I didn't bring up Kobe at all. Whatever you say though. The Spurs turned Lebron into a jump shooter, he couldn't hit the shots, it's pretty ****ing simple. Nothing to refute. If Lebron had a legit big down low to draw attention away from him and not collapse when he drove, it may have been a closer series. Pop's strategy was to force someone other than Lebron to beat them, they couldn't.

they would have, if Lebron wasn't throwing up 30 shots to score 24 points, shoot 33% from the FT in an elimination game that his team lost by a single point

[PsychoBe]

they would have, if Lebron wasn't throwing up 30 shots to score 24 points, shoot 33% from the FT in an elimination game that his team lost by a single point

should we show them what kobe did to the spurs?

[Showtime2001]

should we show them what kobe did to the spurs?

I don't think they could handle it.

[Hey Yo]

2006 Wizards (42-40)
2007 Wizards (42-40)
2007 Nets (41-41)
2007 Pistons (53-29)
2008 Wizards (43-39)
2009 Pistons (39-43)
2009 Hawks (47-35)
2010 Bulls (41-41)


There wasn't an all star in the history of the league incapable of duplicating Lebron's "success" with the Cavs. Those teams dont even make the playoffs in the West.

Any superstar in league history when paired with a top defensive, top rebounding and top three point shooting supporting cast is capable of duplicating what Lebron accomplished given the competition with the Cavs. People with agendas love to make his teammates look worse than they are just to prop up LeBron. The team complimented his talents or any superstar perimeter/wing player for that matter.

LeBron's starting teammates in those years

2006....Snow, Ronald Murray / Hughes (31gms due to finger surgery), Gooden, Big Z
2007....Snow / Gibson, Hughes, Gooden, Z
2008.... 8 different players started 20 games or more including Pavlovic (45) Ben Wallace (22), Delonte West (26) Devin Brown (20) Gibson (26)
2009....Mo Will, West, Varejao / Wallace, Big Z
2010....Mo Will, Anthony Parker, Hickson, Jamison (23gms) Shaq's corpse.

There's a lot of stability in those starting lineups that LeBron played with year after year

[3ball]

It's funny because the Cavs were -500 favorites to beat the 10' Celtics, which is the same odds the Jazz currently have against the Clippers after getting a 2-0 lead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3k_YmF9nIKI&t=06m02s

So Lebron lost in a spot where he was more favored than the Jazz are right now to beat the Clippers (up 2-0)

[And1AllDay]

It's funny because the Cavs were -500 favorites to beat the 10' Celtics, which is the same odds the Jazz currently have against the Clippers after getting a 2-0 lead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3k_YmF9nIKI&t=06m02s

So Lebron lost in a spot where he was more favored than the Jazz are right now to beat the Clippers (up 2-0)

he just needed his pippen to save him like mike did

[bullettooth]

[nineiron]

FINALLY the myth has been put to rest.

lol @ "dragging a team to the finals" ... its the other way around. He's been carried his entire career.

this

[tpols]

Unfortunately for Lebron, he didn't have Shaq down low giving him space and grabbing his bricks. The Spurs forced Lebron into a jump shooter in 2007, when that is by far the weakest part of his game, and it worked.

Kobe used to ether the spurs with and without shaq lol. Popovich exploited Brans poor jumpshooting skill with the sag strategy aka Giannis treatment. Can't do that to Kobe or Dirk.