Wait... which Finals did Kobe have better than LeBrons 2015?

[3ball]

If Kobe's defense ever allowed a 7 ppg role player be > Curry, he'd have exactly 0 rings.

Lebron fans ignore this truth ^^^

If Iggy scores 7 ppg like he's supposed to, the Cavs win, even though Lebron shot 39% against single-coverage..

THAT'S how vulnerable the Warriors are with their 3-point-or-nothing style.
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[Mr Feeny]

Get back to me when Curry scores 81 points, let alone breaks 70 XD

Get back to me when Kobe shoots 47% for a season.
Get back to me when Kobe has multiple mvps.
Get back to me when Kobe leads his team to 70+ wins in a season.

[3ball]

Get back to me when Kobe shoots 47% for a season.
Get back to me when Kobe has multiple mvps.
Get back to me when Kobe leads his team to 70+ wins in a season.

[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/COLOR]



[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.1..... 41.1

SHAQ 2000....... 35.0..... 38.1..... 34.0..... 39.4...... 38.4...... 43.9
SHAQ 2001....... 33.9..... 38.0..... 33.9..... 34.0...... 35.4...... 26.2
SHAQ 2002....... 33.1..... 35.3..... 33.5..... 25.7...... 38.1...... 28.2

KOBE 2001....... 32.7..... 34.4..... 31.4..... 37.0...... 25.7...... 23.7
KOBE 2002....... 30.9..... 31.3..... 29.9..... 34.0...... 27.2...... 32.4
KOBE 2008....... 31.8..... 36.8..... 33.9..... 41.5...... 30.4...... 32.1

LEBRON 2009... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
LEBRON 2012... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5



[COLOR="Blue"]In addition to a greater offensive load, Jordan's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's - this is especially true against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense)... Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.[/color]
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[Vertical-24]

Wait... So you're saying Kobe's a better Finals performer than Jerry West??

Yes.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes.

Ridiculous, Finals record be damned, West is arguably a top 3 Finals performer of all time

1962: 31/5/3 on 46%
1963: 30/7/5 on 49%
1965: 34/6/3 on 42%
1966: 34/6/5 on 52%
1968: 31/6/6 on 49%
1969: 38/5/7 on 49%
1970: 31/3/8 on 45%

He didn't win because he had to go up against the most dominant dynasty in league history. Individually, he was brilliant, and certainly better in the Finals than Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe beat the Celtics in the finals, something Jerry failed to do over and over. If you don't win, you didn't perform. 5>1, 5>2, 6>5, 11>6.

Some of the worst logic I've ever heard. Basketball is a TEAM sport, you can't judge a player solely based on what his team accomplished, it's absurd. So West averages just shy of 40 ppg in the '69 Finals, drops a 42/13/12 triple double in Game 7, but he individually didn't perform? Just asinine

[COnDEMnED]

Some of the worst logic I've ever heard. Basketball is a TEAM sport, you can't judge a player solely based on what his team accomplished, it's absurd. So West averages just shy of 40 ppg in the '69 Finals, drops a 42/13/12 triple double in Game 7, but he individually didn't perform? Just asinine

This thread is about that terrible logic. That's why I used it and flipped it on its stupid head. He asked if any of Kobe's finals are better than a finals Bronze lost. This thread isn't meant for logic. Since it's a team sport, this thread is null and void then, correct? Trust me when I say OP isn't smarter than me. I'm simply beating him at his own game. Which isn't hard to do. I'm using him as a pawn for my own amusement. You combat trolling with better and more refined trolling. Nothing more, nothing less.

[warriorfan]

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Efficiency [COLOR="Red"]WITH[/COLOR] Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. [COLOR="Navy"]Not surprisingly, their simple play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams[/COLOR]..

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals).

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron turns them into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance.

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. The reason is twofold.
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[Mr. Jabbar]

he won 5 of them for starters

[Bankaii]

Lebron fans ignore this truth ^^^

If Iggy scores 7 ppg like he's supposed to, the Cavs win, even though Lebron shot 39% against single-coverage..

THAT'S how vulnerable the Warriors are with their 3-point-or-nothing style.
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Lebron didn't gaurd Iggy for the majority of the series dipshit.

[3ball]

Lebron didn't gaurd Iggy for the majority of the series dipshit.

Yes he did and he got destroyed by a role player - highlight after highlight - for the 2nd Finals in a row

















Lebron can't stop a 7 ppg role player, let alone Jordan
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[warriorfan]

Yes he did and he got destroyed - just like in 2014 Finals

















Lebron can't stop a 7 ppg role player, let alone Jordan

Half those gifs LeBron doesn't even contest...Dude looks like James Harden out there...

[Bankaii]

Cherry picked bullshit.

Gif 1 is a fast break.
Gif 2 is a fast break.
Gif 3 is a trap on the GOAT shooter and Mozgoz didn't rotate.
Gif 4 Lebron switch to guard the wide open GOAT shooter and his teammates didn't pickup his man.
Gif 5 was bad defense.
Gif 6 was miscommunication because Lebron was originally gaurding Barnes but I'll give you that, bad defense.
Gif 7 was decent defense with no help defense from his teammates.

So you could only find 7 gifs and over half of them Lebron isn't even guarding Iggy.
If you watched the series, Blatt put Mozgov on Iggy and have him the Rondo treatment.
But of course you wouldn't know that, you don't watch the games you cherry picking bitch.

And midget Gary Payton made Jordan his bitch.
Lebron would probably make Jordan retire again if he gaurded him. While dropping a 30 point triple double.