Better Playoff Performer? Kobe, Vince or Iverson

[TmacsRockets]

Playoffs

Kobe Bryant
24.3 ppg, 44.5% fg, 32.5% 3pt FG, 5.0 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.9 tpg

Vince Carter
25.9 ppg, 41.8% fg, 33.2% 3 pt FG, 6.9 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.7 tpg


Vince's playoff numbers are much better than Kobe as is his PER.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

25. Vince Carter 21.40
26. Kobe Bryant 21.29
27. Allen Iverson 21.23


Iverson has 10 games of 40+ and in one playoffs alone had 6 games of 40+ points. In fact, Kobe only has 6 games of 40+ in his entire playoff career.

[Trash]

In order:

1. Vince Carter
2. Allen Iverson
3. Kobe Bryant

Take it from someone who was a diehard Kobe fan up until this year... this guy is FINISHED. Done. Washed up. Whatever you want to call it.

I actually feel embarrassed to tell people that I was ever a fan of such a mediocre player. Kobe Bryant isn't even a top 5 player in today's league. He'd be RINGLESS had Shaq not carried him to three straight titles.

Go look at the head to heads of Kobe vs. Carter. Carter has been shutting him down in the last few meetings.

[KeylessEntry]

and it starts again....

[Trash]

Playoffs

Kobe Bryant
24.3 ppg, 44.5% fg, 32.5% 3pt FG, 5.0 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.9 tpg

Vince Carter
25.9 ppg, 41.8% fg, 33.2% 3 pt FG, 6.9 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.7 tpg


Vince's playoff numbers are much better than Kobe as is his PER.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

25. Vince Carter 21.40
26. Kobe Bryant 21.29
27. Allen Iverson 21.23


Iverson has 10 games of 40+ and in one playoffs alone had 6 games of 40+ points. In fact, Kobe only has 6 games of 40+ in his entire playoff career.

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[nbastatus]

probably vince carter.
but kobe has more playoff success.

[iTruWarrior]

The one who led his team to the Finals and has a ring as well. That being said, Kobe Bryant..

I still think Kobe is being a little bit overrated at his clutchness. Most of the time he comes through, however people act like he's more clutch than Bird and Jordan. Far from it....

[Brujesino]

i would say iverson he took his team to the finals and made his team

kobe had shaq for the most part

iam not too sure how far vince has gotten in the playoffs

[Fatal9]

Vince Carter has won 3 series in his entire 12 year career, all of them against mediocre teams. In the other three playoff years his teams have been swept.

Since Kobe has had his own team (like Vince has for all his career), his stats have been 30/6/5 on 48%. This includes leading a heavy underdog team to 7 games against the #2 seed, and a trip to the finals where along the way, he beat the defending champions.

Unlike many other stars he hasn't been the #1 option all his career (averages go down) and was still developing his game for atleast the first 4 years of his career. Career averages really mean nothing. We could use them to show AI is a better scorer than Kobe when he is clearly not.

[BMOGEFan]

Kobe 3 rings, 4 finals appearance.

Vince + AI = one final appearance, no rings.

[Fatal9]

Iverson's shooting percentages in the playoff by year:

41.1%
38.4%
38.9% (MVP year where he carried the team LOL)
38.1%
41.6%
46.8%
36.8%
36.8%


When are people going to realize that in the 2000 year, the East was the weakest that it has probably ever been (only one other team outside of Sixers won over 50 games...last year every team in the West was over 50). And what about the great defense of the Larry Brown coached teams which is the main reason Iverson could shoot these low percentages and still win a game?

[bruceblitz]

probably vince carter.
but kobe has more playoff success.

Vince Carter is the best playoff performer out of the 3, but the biggest difference is simple:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Iverson and Vince never had Shaq as a teammate or Phil Jackson as a coach, not to mention the supporting cast that's been put around Kobe his entire career.[/COLOR]

2000 Finals vs Indiana Pacers
Shaq 38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG
Kobe 15ppg 4rpg 4apg 36%FG

2001 Finals vs Philadelphia
Shaq 33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG
Kobe 24ppg 7rpg 5apg 41%FG

2002 Finals vs New Jersey Nets
Shaq 36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG
Kobe 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 51%FG

2004 Finals vs Detroit
Shaq 26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG
Kobe 22ppg 2rpg 4apg 38%FG
(maybe Kobe should have given the ball to Shaq more? Why do you think Shaq left?)

2008 Finals vs Boston Celtics
Kobe 25ppg 4reb 5ast 40%fg
Shaq = old and gone, too bad for Kobe

Remember, Iverson led a bum ass Sixers team to an actual win in the Finals over Kobe AND Shaq, that speaks volumes. Imagine if Iverson or Vince had Shaq for a teammate even for half-a-decade, oh man they'd be wearing at least 3 rings. At least! Remember, Iverson was winning 4 scoring titles when Kobe was riding on superman's cape. I would still rank it like this though:
1)Vince
2a)Kobe
2b)Iverson


That picture says it all. Out of 4 finals appearances with Shaq, Kobe didn't out-perform him once. Not once. Not even freaking close, AT BEST Kobe was Shaq's Pippen.



P.S. hopefully LeBron starts to raise his efficiency and level of play in the playoffs, so his playoff/finals resume doesn't look like this. Didn't get a good start against the Spurs. At least when Jordan ran into the world champion Celtics he put up a 63 point game for them to think about (playoff record).

[Crash]

2000 Finals vs Indiana Pacers
Shaq 38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG
Kobe 15ppg 4rpg 4apg 36%FG

2001 Finals vs Philadelphia
Shaq 33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG
Kobe 24ppg 7rpg 5apg 41%FG

2002 Finals vs New Jersey Nets
Shaq 36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG
Kobe 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 51%FG

2004 Finals vs Detroit
Shaq 26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG
Kobe 22ppg 2rpg 4apg 38%FG



I would argue that LA doesn't win any of those titles without Kobe's contribution.

The guy put up 26/5/5 in the finals and is being carried?

[Crash]

So here's what i take from reading this thread and other threads on the board...

- Phil is only great because he has had Kobe/Shaq/MJ
- Kobe's only great because he's had Shaq/Pau
- Kobe's only great because he's coached by Phil who is only great because he had Kobe/Shaq/MJ
- Shaq's only great because he had Kobe/Phil

At some point you gotta wonder about the agendas around here.... Laker fans get it, Kobe/Shaq and Phil are only great because they had each other and talent, otherwise they are all terrible.

[Fatal9]

Again, I repeat:

Kobe as the #1 option has put up 30/6/5 on 48% shooting over almost 40 playoff games. These are numbers that currently only Wade can be compared to (and exceed).

[KenneBell]

Kobe. Over the past 9 playoffs he's averaging 27/6/5. That's not shabby in my book. His numbers without Shaq are even better especially FG% wise.