Official SG comparison thread: 2006 vs. 1997 vs. 1990

[3ball]

Dat weak ass cream puff era doe.

Don't be surprised the previous era list looks so much better - the 2-pointer basketball played in previous eras and the no-spacing it created resulted in faster pace/volume shooting and more diverse offensive repertoires.

Faster pace/volume shooting is enabled when you're willing to settle for contested shots and not run as much offense - the elite mid-range repertoires of previous era wings allowed for more contested shots, while today's 3-point shooting requires running offense to work the spacing and get open looks.

The volume shooting of 2-pointer basketball coupled with the superior repertoires needed to navigate no-spacing afforded previous era wings the capacity to have big scoring games far more often, thus putting greater pressure on defenses than today's 3-and-D wing - no spacing simply produced more offensively compentant players.

[aj1987]

Don't be surprised the previous era list looks so much better - the 2-pointer basketball played in previous eras and the no-spacing it created resulted in faster pace/volume shooting and more diverse offensive repertoires.

Faster pace/volume shooting is enabled when you're willing to settle for contested shots and not run as much offense - the elite mid-range repertoires of previous era wings allowed for more contested shots, while today's 3-point shooting requires running offense to work the spacing and get open looks.

The volume shooting of 2-pointer basketball coupled with the superior repertoires needed to navigate no-spacing afforded previous era wings the capacity to have big scoring games far more often, thus putting greater pressure on defenses than today's 3-and-D wing - no spacing simply produced more offensively compentant players.

All-Def players Kobe faced:

Shawn Marion
Andre Igoudala
Paul George
Gerald Wallace
Bruce Bowen
Tayshaun Prince
Andrei Kirelinko
Lebron James
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
Ron Artest
Thabo Sefalosha
Raja Bell
Tony Allen
Shane Battier
Chris Paul
Kevin Garnett
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo
Kirk Hinrich
Jason Kidd
Chauncey Billups
Larry Hughes
Eric Snow
Doug Christie
Gary Payton
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dennis Rodman
Kawhi Leonard

All-Def players MJ faced:

Dennis Rodman
Gary Payton
Michael Cooper
Derrick Mckey
Alvin Robertson
Sidney Moncrief
Eddie Jones
Shawn Marion
Doug Christie
Clifford Robinson
Anthony Mason
Nate McMillan
Latrell Sprewell
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson

[3ball]

You're an idiot.

Kobe faced better competition and that a FACT. He destroyed 29 All-D players. MJ? 17.

You included a bunch of guys that didn't guard Kobe - ANYONE can just go through the list of all-league defenders and put every single name down - in that case, MJ and Kobe have faced the exact same number.

But the only thing that matters is comparing the defenders who guarded them heads-up a material amount of the time - and comparing the overall quality of each group, not counting the exact number.. That's what the OP list did.

[aj1987]

You included a bunch of guys that didn't guard Kobe - ANYONE can just go through the list of all-league defenders and put every single name down - in that case, MJ and Kobe have faced the exact same number.

But the only thing that matters is comparing the defenders who guarded them heads-up a material amount of the time - and comparing the overall quality of each group, not counting the exact number.. That's what the OP list did.

[ArbitraryWater]

Can't believe I'm going with 3ball here..this dude aj including MJ, Rodman n shit as players who guarded Kobe...

[G0ATbe]

So basically 2000s were superior to the 90s. Thanks for proving what I already knew .

[3ball]

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All-Defense players Kobe faced:

Shawn Marion
Andre Igoudala
Paul George
Gerald Wallace
Bruce Bowen
Tayshaun Prince
Andrei Kirelinko
Lebron James
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
Ron Artest
Thabo Sefalosha
Raja Bell
Tony Allen
Shane Battier
Chris Paul
Kevin Garnett
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo
Kirk Hinrich
Jason Kidd
Chauncey Billups
Larry Hughes
Eric Snow
Doug Christie
Gary Payton
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dennis Rodman
Kawhi Leonard
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All-Defense players MJ faced:

Dennis Rodman
Gary Payton
Michael Cooper
Derrick Mckey
Alvin Robertson
Sidney Moncrief
Shawn Marion
Doug Christie
Clifford Robinson
Anthony Mason
Nate McMillan
Latrell Sprewell
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Larry Hughes
Bruce Bowen
Jason Kidd
Shane Battier
Mookie Blaylock
Eddie Jones
Bobby Phills
Ronaldo Blackman
Raja Bell
Eric Snow
Paul Pressey
Bobby Jones
TR Dunn
Derrick Harper
Rodney McCray
Maurice Cheeks
John Stockton
John Starks
Kevin Garnett
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[COLOR="Red"]37 TOTAL[/COLOR]
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[3ball]

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The above list ^^^^^^ is just to satisfy the aj187's trolling and the faulty logic he used

The real list of all-league defenders that actually guarded these players heads up is below

[3ball]

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Kobe's Best Defenders (All-NBA Defense Only)

Shawn Marion
Andre Igoudala
Paul George
Gerald Wallace
Bruce Bowen
Tayshaun Prince
Andrei Kirelinko
Lebron James
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
Ron Artest
Thabo Sefalosha
Raja Bell
Tony Allen
Shane Battier
Dwayne Wade
Doug Christie
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Larry Hughes



MJ's Best Defenders (All-NBA Defense Only)

Dennis Rodman
Gary Payton
Michael Cooper
Derrick Mckey
Ronaldo Blackman
Alvin Robertson
Sidney Moncrief
Eddie Jones
John Starks
Shawn Marion
Doug Christie
Clifford Robinson
Anthony Mason
Nate McMillan
Kevin Garnett
Dan Majerle
Latrell Sprewell
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Jason Kidd
Bobby Phills



MJ's Best Two-Way Opponents:

Penny Hardaway
Grant Hill
Kobe Bryant
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Ron Harper
Reggie Lewis
Ray Allen
Sean Elliot
Michael Finley
Kendall Gill
Richard Dumas
Nick Anderson
Jerry Stackhouse


Also, the list above doesn't include many of the tremendous offensive wings that MJ faced including: Dr. J, James Worthy, Bernard King, Mitch Richmond, Alex English, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Detlef Schrempf, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Fat Lever, Jeff Hornacek, Allan Houston, Jeff Malone, Glen Rice, Kiki Vandeweghe
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[3ball]

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[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]SG's with 15.0 or Greater PER


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2006[COLOR="White"]...............................[/COLOR]1997[COLOR="White"]............................[/COLOR]1990

Kobe Bryant..................... Michael Jordan................ Michael Jordan
Dwayne Wade.................. Clyde Drexler.................. Clyde Drexler
Manu Ginobili................... Mitch Richmond............... Mitch Richmond
Ray Allen......................... Reggie Miller.................. Reggie Miller
Vince Carter......................Eddie Jones.................... Joe Dumars
Michael Redd.................... Allan Houston................. Ronaldo Blackmon
Jason Richardson............... Nick Anderson................ Ron Harper
Richard Hamilton............... Latrell Sprewell.............. Alvin Robertson
Joe Johnson...................... Jim Jackson................... Dale Ellis
Mike Miller....................... Steve Smith................... Hersey Hawkins
Bonzi Wells....................... Kendall Gill.................... Fat Lever
Jamal Crawford................. Isiah Rider.................... Jeff Hornacek
Morris Peterson................. Bobby Phills................... Ricky Pierce
Leandro Barbosa................ Jerry Stackhouse............ Jeff Malone


1990 has a significant edge due to superior 2-way ability.

Of course, with no spacing in 1990, the option of running offense to work the spaced-out defenders for an open shot wasn't available, so players had to settle for contested shots more often.. When teams don't run as much offense and settle for contested shots instead, pace and shot volume increase.

The volume shooting associated with 2-pointer basketball and the wider repertoires needed to navigate no-spacing (defenders in closer proximity) enabled 1990 wings to put more pressure on defenders than subsequent era wings - higher volume and wider repertoires meant they were more of a threat to go off for a big game than subsequent era wings.

Otoh, today's game requires a slower pace and smaller offensive repertoires to work the spaced-out defenders and run offense to get open 3-point looks.. Naturally, it's not surprise that today's wings are less of a threat to go off for a big game and pose less of a threat individually to the defense.. Again, this is in contrast to the more diverse mid-range games of previous eras, which enabled repeated contested shots and therefore less time-consuming offense.

[aj1987]

Can't believe I'm going with 3ball here..this dude aj including MJ, Rodman n shit as players who guarded Kobe...

I know that you're a LeTurd stan, but when was KG guarding MJ? Dude, You're like 15 years old. Go watch Pokemon on some shit. Basketball is not something you understand. 40 posts per day on one account? You need to go out, kid.

All-Def players Kobe faced:

Shawn Marion
Andre Igoudala
Paul George
Gerald Wallace
Bruce Bowen
Tayshaun Prince
Andrei Kirelinko
Lebron James
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
Ron Artest
Thabo Sefalosha
Raja Bell
Tony Allen
Shane Battier
Chris Paul
Kevin Garnett
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo
Kirk Hinrich
Jason Kidd
Chauncey Billups
Larry Hughes
Eric Snow
Doug Christie
Gary Payton
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Dennis Rodman
Kawhi Leonard

All-Def players MJ faced:

Dennis Rodman
Gary Payton
Michael Cooper
Derrick Mckey
Alvin Robertson
Sidney Moncrief
Eddie Jones
Shawn Marion
Doug Christie
Clifford Robinson
Anthony Mason
Nate McMillan
Latrell Sprewell
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson

3ball, you do realize that half the players you listed NEVER made an All-Def team when MJ was playing, right? Some of them NEVER even made the All-Def team.

It's still 29-17, kid. MJ played against weak ass players. An era with literal cream puffs. Kobe would've done worse to those defenders than he did with that chick in Colorado.

[Smoke117]

Just ban this c*ck sucker till the playoffs are over. The summer is ripe for tiresome bullshit. He'd probably have a complete Michael Jordan thesis written just about the time the playoffs end.

[jimmybball]

[Type 2]

Dat weak ass cream puff era doe.

You act like cream puffs are bad. Have you even had a cream puff?

[3ball]

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