Remember this? Shaq SLAYS Kobe to the moon. Goat slay.

[Marchesk]

Shaq could have won them with other players instead of Kobe.


Not other way around.


Period.

But he would need a player on the level of Kobe to get past the Spurs and Kings, or a better overall team. And Kobe went off against the Spurs.

[dubeta]

Shaq putting Kirby in his place

[kennethgriffin]

FMVPs doe

kareem 2 finals mvps.. shaq,duncan > kareem?

moses 3 season mvps.. moses > hakeem,shaq,kobe,oscar?

nash 2 season mvps.. nash > hakeem,shaq,kobe,oscar?

bird 2 finals mvps.. shaq,duncan >bird?

billups 1 finals mvp = isiah?

leonard 1 finals mvp = wade?

cedric 1 finals mvp = dirk?

derrick rose 1 season mvp = shaq, kobe, oscar, hakeem?

allen iverson 1 season mvp = shaq, kobe, oscar, hakeem?




its about number of rings by mvp caliber players ( with obvious discounts given to 60's players )

if a guy has won atleast 1 mvp... then if hes winning titles.. he must be doing something

i don't trust the media. but everyone who deserves atleast 1 mvp has atleast 1 mvp asside from maybe jerry west.

so # of rings by mvps = the best measuring stick

( anyones rings from the 60's = half value )

[Lamar Odumbb]

Shaq could have won them with other players instead of Kobe.


Not other way around.


Period.

How come Shaq only won 1 title without Kobe you fukken moron. In 1997, Shaq had Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Rick Fox, and Horry yet couldnt win a ring until Kobe became Kobe.

[Bless Mathews]

How come Shaq only won 1 title without Kobe you fukken moron. In 1997, Shaq had Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Rick Fox, and Horry yet couldnt win a ring until Kobe became Kobe.

Lol.

Always know when insecure Kobe Stan's are mad...

Go right to name callin.

We haven't even exchanged in the thread yet cuz. Bad you cursin and errythang.

Smh. Insecure Stan

Shaq > kobe

[masonanddixon]

1960s--people singing along to the Beatles
2000s-people singing along to 'Kobe how my ass taste'

[imdaman99]

Kobe would only have 2 without Shaq.


Smh.

Shaq would only have 1 without Kobe.


Smh.


You went there

Tell me who the better #2 was when they won away from each other. Wade or Pau?

[JohnMax]

My hatred of Kobe has died now that hes not a threat to win another ring and threaten the legacies of superior players like Duncan and Lebron.

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[dubeta]

[Force]

Shaq could have won them with other players instead of Kobe.


Not other way around.


Period.

EXACTLY. It's not even close, Shaq was so far more dominant than any other player, it's sad how people try to rewrite history. The Lakers won a title and then Phil tried to TRADE KOBE even after winning a title.

Prime Shaq with Phil and all those role players could have won at least one ring if you took Kobe away and replaced him with Vince Carter, Jerry Stackhouse. Players of that level.

[kennethgriffin]

My hatred of Kobe has died now that hes not a threat to win another ring and threaten the legacies of superior players like Duncan and Lebron.

Hes a washed has been who should only have 2 rings if it were not for Shaq. He needed the most stacked team of all time to barely beat the Celtics in 2010.

History will show he is the mos overrated player of all time.

contradiction

you value rings as the measurment of greatness by saying "i dont hate kobe now that he cant win rings and threaten legacies."

but then you mention "LEBRON"?

so you were scared of kobe when he was winning championships. and he was threatening to you because of winning championships

so you value championships and it is the main thing you are afraid of

then say kobe cant catch ...............................lebron ?

[kennethgriffin]

EXACTLY. It's not even close, Shaq was so far more dominant than any other player, it's sad how people try to rewrite history. The Lakers won a title and then Phil tried to TRADE KOBE even after winning a title.

Prime Shaq with Phil and all those role players could have won at least one ring if you took Kobe away and replaced him with Vince Carter, Jerry Stackhouse. Players of that level.

if players were only measured by their peaks... tracy mcgrady would be a top 10 player all time

kobe had the better career.



people change their criteria for ranking players to fit their agenda


think about this... if it was a shaq, wilt, oscar, baylor vs jordan debate

it would automatically turn into a career resume contest

since absolute peak shaq, wilt, oscar, baylor were more impressive than jordan

so that cant possibly be what people will compare


BUT... since kobe has a better career than shaq... now it becomes a peak debate. they rank players all time on 1 season

yeah OK

[Lamar Odumbb]

Lol.

Always know when insecure Kobe Stan's are mad...

Go right to name callin.

We haven't even exchanged in the thread yet cuz. Bad you cursin and errythang.

Smh. Insecure Stan

Shaq > kobe

I stated that Magic is better than Kobe so if anything Im a Magic stan.

I get it you hate Kobe but your whole angry black man act is boring.

[GimmeThat]

I wish the Knicks couldn't offer Melo that much money.

Kobe is appearing to be extremely easy to be built around with star talents in the league.

[monkeypox]

Lol so Kobe can't win a title without Shaq. Except he actually lead two title teams without him. Shaq could have won without Kobe, yet his whole career he was only able to coat-tail one title without him. Like someone said, Shaq has played with some great players over his career including LeBron, Nash, Penny, Eddy Jones, Nick Van Excel and Wade, yet he was only able to win once without Kobe.

If they gave out playoff MVP's rather than finals MVP Kobe would have taken a couple away from Shaq. Kobe carried those teams in the real finals in the western conference while Shaq sat on his butt because of foul trouble or because he couldn't shoot free throws. Of course he won the finals MVP when they finally feasted on the weak Eastern conference teams. Larry Brown in the year the Pistons beat the Lakers said after studying the Lakers they realized that you beat them by focusing on Kobe, because they realized that letting shaq go off didn't lead to wins for the Lakers.