Where would Lebron rank alltime if he played in the 60's?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nope,
Russell,Wilt aren't num 1 and just look at their stats and accomplishments.

The casuals and media and fans and even players nowadays are thanks to
media


Jordan Number 1,Jordan clear GOAT,Jordan Unquestionable GOAT,6/6
blah blah blah.

A guy who avg,AVERAGED 50,24 for a season in the media and fans nowadays isn't even top 3.
Russell is only top 3 bc 11 RINGZ.

If LeBron played back then,well Wilt's stats were miles ahead,and Russell always won so he'd get mentioned in same breath as Thurmond,West,Oscar,Frazier,Baylor which isn't much at all.

Havlicek won and had good stats,where is he?
LeBron is basically Oscar lite and Oscar doesn't even get a mention.

He wouldn't touch Top 4 even if he had then what he has now.The stars from the 60s are underrated,underappreciated,and discredited.Nowadays the stars today are overhyped,overappreciated,overvalued compared to then.
Nowadays they use stats to leave out stars of then
so whatever ranking People have LeBron now bump him down 2-10 spots and that's where he'd probably be.

Wilt isn't top 3 because he only won 2 rings, not because of media bias.

[bmd]

Hell the stars of today don't mention Wilt in conversations of GOAT bc the media disregards him completely.

Its always the media hyped ones who are where they ALWAYS have
MJ 1,Russell 2,
then a combo of Magic,Bird,Kareem.

Oscar Robertson has more triple doubles than anyone else.He avg a Triple Double for a season 30,10,10.He has almost 10,000 ast and over 26,000 pts yet is rarely if ever mentioned.

Havlicek has over 7 rings.Jerry West if he wasn't the Logo would never get mentioned.

It's funny how espn cuts of the dates to hype and bring up players.
When a record is close they include it like 33 wins but when it's not or the old record is so so much better than the other player they cut it off

ex(Wilt 25 pt game streak,Wilt 30 pt streak,Oscar Triple Double streak,Quickest to 10,000,20,000,30,000 pts and that turns to YOUNGEST,
Ring count)

It's extremely odd that when Wilt retired,then they started keeping track of blocks.
It's extremely convenient that when Oscar retired,the rules for what is considered an assist changed and now you have those Rondo--pass,the player does ten moves,assist.

Since 50 years,since the merger,since the 3pt line,since the season after Wilt retired,since the beginning of PER,since the 1987-1988 season,since the adding of Miami Heat and others,since Dr J,and it's always an arbitrary cut ioff if Todays players can't reach it or someone else has it---

ie(LeBron's 24 pt 60%,MVP awards,ALL First teams,All-Star selections,59% fg,
Highest PER,using TS% instead of FG%,It''s beyond comical.

If Wilt didn't completely have miles ahead stats and Russell 11 rings wasn't highest ever they would both be cut off.

People like Worthy,Oscar,Frazier,Thurmond,Baylor,Lucas,Havlice k,Jones,Goodrich
don't even get a mention in Media.

The triple double is a made-up stat.

The numbers are arbitrarily set at 10-10-10.

It's like hitting for the cycle in baseball. Okay, in a single game you had a homerun, triple, double, and single. Cool stat.. but pretty meaningless how many times you did it.

[Psileas]

Hell the stars of today don't mention Wilt in conversations of GOAT bc the media disregards him completely.

Its always the media hyped ones who are where they ALWAYS have
MJ 1,Russell 2,
then a combo of Magic,Bird,Kareem.

Oscar Robertson has more triple doubles than anyone else.He avg a Triple Double for a season 30,10,10.He has almost 10,000 ast and over 26,000 pts yet is rarely if ever mentioned.

Havlicek has over 7 rings.Jerry West if he wasn't the Logo would never get mentioned.

It's funny how espn cuts of the dates to hype and bring up players.
When a record is close they include it like 33 wins but when it's not or the old record is so so much better than the other player they cut it off

ex(Wilt 25 pt game streak,Wilt 30 pt streak,Oscar Triple Double streak,Quickest to 10,000,20,000,30,000 pts and that turns to YOUNGEST,
Ring count)

It's extremely odd that when Wilt retired,then they started keeping track of blocks.
It's extremely convenient that when Oscar retired,the rules for what is considered an assist changed and now you have those Rondo--pass,the player does ten moves,assist.

Since 50 years,since the merger,since the 3pt line,since the season after Wilt retired,since the beginning of PER,since the 1987-1988 season,since the adding of Miami Heat and others,since Dr J,and it's always an arbitrary cut ioff if Todays players can't reach it or someone else has it---

ie(LeBron's 24 pt 60%,MVP awards,ALL First teams,All-Star selections,59% fg,
Highest PER,using TS% instead of FG%,It''s beyond comical.

If Wilt didn't completely have miles ahead stats and Russell 11 rings wasn't highest ever they would both be cut off.

People like Worthy,Oscar,Frazier,Thurmond,Baylor,Lucas,Havlice k,Jones,Goodrich
don't even get a mention in Media.

The "since merger" records has to be some of the most ridiculous distinctions around. If the NBA-ABA co-existence supposedly prohibits people from giving 100% credence to certain records, what prohibits them from doing this for previous eras, when the ABA did not even exist?

But, hey, as a Lakers' fan, I should be happy, since the Lakers lead by far the Celtics in rings "since the merger" (the Celtics aren't even #2, since they only won 4 rings since the merger), making them the real winningest team in the annals of "history that counts"...

[Flash31]

Wilt isn't top 3 because he only won 2 rings, not because of media bias.

Larry Bird has 3 Rings and he's top 3-5 ALWAYS.

It's everything to do with media bias,otherwise they would mention the stars of then,the ACTUAL RECORDS,not conveniently have cut off dates when needed,not mention them,not even mention them.

Aside from Wilts STATS,Russells RINGZ,West being the LOGO they wouldn't even get a mention.
Thurmond,Havlicek,Frazier,Oscar,Lucas,Jones,Goodri ch don't even get a mention.

Havlicek wasn't Robert Horry where you go role player doesn't count now.

LeBron ONLY has 2 Rings and people and media nowadays are like top 10,
DIRK HAS 1 RING,1 mvp and you have people proclaiming him top 20,
Durant has NOTHING and you have media already starting the arbitrary records on him,and proclaiming him possible goat scorer,player and people saying if he wins this year TOP 20--WHAT?!

It has literally everything to do with the media.

[fpliii]

[Flash31]

The triple double is a made-up stat.

The numbers are arbitrarily set at 10-10-10.

It's like hitting for the cycle in baseball. Okay, in a single game you had a homerun, triple, double, and single. Cool stat.. but pretty meaningless how many times you did it.[/QUOTE]

It kind of is,also bc conveniently they only started keeping tracks of blocks after
Wilt,Russell,Thurmond were retired or done.

10 Points,10 rbs,10 blocks or steals or assists is very good but the more say something gets upgraded the less people did it and it leaves out today's players.

Hitting double digits in 3 categories is the standard which is good
but if you turn it to
15 points or 15 rbs or 15 ast,the old guys (wilt,russell,thurmond,oscar hold those so.


In baseball,it's like the hits or on base record basically regardless if it's a single,double,triple,home run which skews it like certain triple doubles like the rondo-kidd ones 10,10,10.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Larry Bird has 3 Rings and he's top 3-5 ALWAYS.

It's everything to do with media bias,otherwise they would mention the stars of then,the ACTUAL RECORDS,not conveniently have cut off dates when needed,not mention them,not even mention them.

Aside from Wilts STATS,Russells RINGZ,West being the LOGO they wouldn't even get a mention.
Thurmond,Havlicek,Frazier,Oscar,Lucas,Jones,Goodri ch don't even get a mention.

Havlicek wasn't Robert Horry where you go role player doesn't count now.

LeBron ONLY has 2 Rings and people and media nowadays are like top 10,
DIRK HAS 1 RING,1 mvp and you have people proclaiming him top 20,
Durant has NOTHING and you have media already starting the arbitrary records on him,and proclaiming him possible goat scorer,player and people saying if he wins this year TOP 20--WHAT?!

It has literally everything to do with the media.

3 is more than 2. Wilt with 3 rings would be considered top 3 much more than what he is now.

[Flash31]

[Deuce Bigalow]3 is more than 2. Wilt with 3 rings would be considered top 3 much more than what he is now.[/QUOTE]


Maybe,though I'm damn sure if Ol Bill Russell only had 5 or 6 Rings which still great would get completely left out of goat talks.

3>2 by 1
But comparing Wilt and Bird,Wilt in stats and accomplishments is way ahead of Bird yet 3>2

So in you saying that 11>6 period then,and Kareem due to stats and more winning is BETTER than Jordan

Kobe 5>3,Shaq 4>3,Duncan 4>3,Havlicek 7>3,See how this goes then by that criteria Bird isn't even TOP 5.

Russell
Kareem
Jordan
Havlicek
Magic
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Bird

See how that would change things

[dr.hee]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.

My god, that post was pretty great.



You know who else was pretty great? Wilt Chamberlain. Your post might be the present day equivalent of Wilt breaking the toe of a dude by dunking the ball too damn hard. Hell, it might even be as great as sleeping with >20,000 mountain lions. But still, you're not quite as strong as Wilt was back in the day. I highly doubt you could bench press 400 women, which past knee injury Wilt could do easily. He was so strong, my god. Oh my god.

[Deuce Bigalow]

[Deuce Bigalow]3 is more than 2. Wilt with 3 rings would be considered top 3 much more than what he is now.

Maybe,though I'm damn sure if Ol Bill Russell only had 5 or 6 Rings which still great would get completely left out of goat talks.

3>2 by 1
But comparing Wilt and Bird,Wilt in stats and accomplishments is way ahead of Bird yet 3>2

So in you saying that 11>6 period then,and Kareem due to stats and more winning is BETTER than Jordan

Kobe 5>3,Shaq 4>3,Duncan 4>3,Havlicek 7>3,See how this goes then by that criteria Bird isn't even TOP 5.

Russell
Kareem
Jordan
Havlicek
Magic
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Bird

See how that would change things[/QUOTE][/quote]
I don't know any who thinks Havlicek is on those players level. I use ring count on players of similar level only.

[ProfessorMurder]

Idiots wouldn't even rank him because he 'wouldn't be able to play today'.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I find it ironic that some of these Wilt people ignore Mikan and completely dismiss him and then get upset at the younger generation not considering Wilt that great.

[fpliii]

Idiots wouldn't even rank him because he 'wouldn't be able to play today'.

[fpliii]

I find it ironic that some of these Wilt people ignore Mikan and completely dismiss him and then get upset at the younger generation not considering Wilt that great.

I seconded your nomination on MCS.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I seconded your nomination on MCS.

Nice