Weaknesses

[3ball]

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Lebron


- sub-par shooting and FT touch

- doesn't dominate the post

- doesn't have a good mid-range game

- only elite with a live dribble

- turnover-prone; 3+ TO for basically every playoff run

- developed "choker" label from a few key chokes, underperformances, and/or losses as the favorite

- lacks killer instinct, "assassin" mentality

- not a great combo leaper - primarily a 1-foot leaper

- bulky physique not ideal for mitigating high traffic or unspaced areas without bully-ball

- lacks elite footwork/fakes, which limits repertoire and the ways he can get off a jumper compared to say, kobe

- not a pure scorer; naturally a low-volume shooter due to limited repertoire/footwork/fakes and also passive/non-aggressive nature

- shoots poorly when forced to undertake high volume, due to aforementioned limitations on repertoire/footwork/fakes

- turns teammates into spot-up shooters due to his ball-dominant skillset and lack of off-ball game

- can't play off teammates due to ball-dominant skillset

- fields low-assist, low ball-movement teams due to his ball-dominant skillset

- loses in the championship to teams with more team assists and better ball movement - his teams get massively out-assisted in the championship

- lacks off-ball and catch-and-shoot skillset, so he doesn't fit with other ball-handlers, and only shooters excel alongside him

- puts a ceiling on his teams by having a skillset that only shooters can excel alongside

- his rosters have high turnover because his skillset restriction to ball-dominance fits with so few player-types (shooters)

- nobody wants to play with him because they know that only shooters excel with him and he turns everyone into spot-up shooters

- only an elite defender from 09-13'... 1-way player in recent years

- team-hopper for ready-made vets and teams because his ball-dominant skillset (teammates become spot-up shooters) doesn't develop players or teamwork

- no 2 star teammates (late addition courtesy of bigkingsfan)



MJ



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[SouBeachTalents]

[bigkingsfan]

MJ - No Pippen

[3ball]

MJ - No Pippen

I wanted to include that for MJ but I couldn't because one of lebron's weaknesses is "no 2 stars", which is a bigger weakness than "no Pippen"

... and infact means that "no Pippen" isn't a weakness at all ("no 2 stars" is the weakness)

[Wally450]

I didn't have to click on the thread to know this thread is about LeBron.



Let me ask this... OP, do you consider Lebron a threat to Jordan?

[3ball]

I didn't have to click on the thread to know this thread is about LeBron.



Let me ask this... OP, do you consider Lebron a threat to Jordan?

No but he's a perceived threat by some because the media misreports and is lazy

[LAmbruh]

MJ - No Pippen

[3ball]

"no 2 stars"

[sdot_thadon]

No but he's a perceived threat by some because the media misreports and is lazy

I think he's perceived that way because he's great and he's earned that distinction. And if your entire purpose is supposedly ''righting" the misreporting done by the media.....good luck, who knows in 40k or 50k more posts maybe you'll convince someone of something besides how much of a threat you really see him as.

[KobesFinger]

A whole lot of drivel. MJ's weakness is 3 point shooting. Subtract his seasons playing with the short line and he's a 26% shooter (323/1189 without short line vs 581/1778 with).

Meanwhile, some of LeBron's weaknesses include him having a bulky body and not being a pure scorer?

[RRR3]

A whole lot of drivel. MJ's weakness is 3 point shooting. Subtract his seasons playing with the short line and he's a 26% shooter (323/1189 without short line vs 581/1778 with).

Meanwhile, some of LeBron's weaknesses include him having a bulky body and not being a pure scorer?

Don’t you know? MJ was only bad at 3s because he didn’t try very hard to make them.

[ImKobe]

A whole lot of drivel. MJ's weakness is 3 point shooting. Subtract his seasons playing with the short line and he's a 26% shooter (323/1189 without short line vs 581/1778 with).

Meanwhile, some of LeBron's weaknesses include him having a bulky body and not being a pure scorer?

weakness? you do realize he only had a few seasons shooting more than a couple a game.

1990 - 3.0 3PA 37.6%
1993 - 2.9 3PA 35.2%

Those are the only seasons of him shooting more than 1-1.5 threes a game with the correct 3PT line, he was a good shooter when he shot them, just look at his 3PT shooting in the first 3-peat

1991 - 1.5 3PA 38.5%
1992 - 2.0 3PA 38.6%
1993 - 3.8 3PA 38.9%

He had a bunch of seasons shooting a low-volume of threes but he was actually good when he did shoot them with regularity as the numbers show, you can only reference 1998 as a bad volume year but that's only at 1.5 attempts in the RS and 2 in the Playoffs so probably most of those shots weren't legitimate three-point attempts. He was arguably the GOAT mid-range shooter and very consistent at the FT line so to say that shooting 3s a couple ft out was his weakness when he wasn't looking for those shots is just trolling from your part.

[RRR3]

weakness? you do realize he only had a few seasons shooting more than a couple a game.

1990 - 3.0 3PA 37.6%
1993 - 2.9 3PA 35.2%

Those are the only seasons of him shooting more than 1-1.5 threes a game with the correct 3PT line, he was a good shooter when he shot them, just look at his 3PT shooting in the first 3-peat

1991 - 1.5 3PA 38.5%
1992 - 2.0 3PA 38.6%
1993 - 3.8 3PA 38.9%

He had a bunch of seasons shooting a low-volume of threes but he was actually good when he did shoot them as the numbers show, you can only reference 1998 as a bad volume year but that's only at 1.5 attempts in the RS and 2 in the Playoffs so probably most of those shots weren't legitimate three-point attempts. He was arguably the GOAT mid-range shooter and very consistent at the FT line so to say that shooting 3s a couple ft out was his weakness when he wasn't looking for those shots is just trolling from your part.

You think Kobe would outplay MJ in the finals so who’s the troll again?

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You think Kobe would outplay MJ in the finals so who

[TheMan]

A whole lot of drivel. MJ's weakness is 3 point shooting. Subtract his seasons playing with the short line and he's a 26% shooter (323/1189 without short line vs 581/1778 with).

Meanwhile, some of LeBron's weaknesses include him having a bulky body and not being a pure scorer?

Ray Allen said that if MJ would've wanted to become an elite 3pt shooter, that he would've been one (worked on his 3pter), fact is that MJ regarded the 3 as a low percentage shot that gave the defense a break and he preferred to keep the pressure on the defense so he didn't make it a big part of his repertoire. He did have huge playoffs games where he hit huge 3pters, he had for a while the record for most 3pters in a half of a Finals game, and if Ray Ray thinks MJ could've been elite in that department, I'll take his word for it.

Other than not working enough on his 3 point shot, he had no weaknesses on the offensive side of the ball