What's the need for a super-team with Durant out? What was the need in 2011?

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[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron lost with a top 5 all-time player - Shaq in 2010.. and a league MVP in 2018 (Rose)

Oh my

.. KOBE WAS PLAYING WITH A GOAT level player in his prime and only won 3 titles in 8 SEASONS AS THE ROBIN. Oh wait he was playing with 3 OTHER HOF's in 2004 and still got his arse kicked in by RIP HAMILTON..

meanwhile Shaq avg 20 minutes a game with Lebron.. SHAQ and Bron would have done some nice work if SNAQ didnt get hurt and come back out of shape for the playoffs..

[StrongLurk]

4 rings, 4 ELITE finals MVPS, 4 regular season MVPS, and the all time leader in all kinds of playoff individual stats.

Lebron Jaime, the 2nd best player of all time.

[3ball]

So Pippen's back was completely fried, but still could play amazing defense? Rodman was so bad in 1998 (your words) he still played amazing defense?



Nice try, Chico. Utah was shit and so was that era.

It shows that great team defense is about teamwork, system, culture, and effort, more than any 1 perimeter defender

That's why Pippen is overrated - people prop him up because they figure "well, MJ must've had SOMEBODY to win 6 rings"... But they can't consider Pippen's offense to be that great, so they overrate his defense like no one else's

But the reality is that the bulls closed out the 98' Finals without him, and won 6 rings while pippen's man mostly got his - Xavier McDaniel, Worthy, Schrempf, Jerome Kersey, Penny, and many more

Pip was an all-time defender, but his impact has been overblown as time has gone on, and new fans needed to find reasons for the Bulls' ridiculous 6 rings.. they'd look at the roster and be like "gosh, for 6 rings, I don't see a stacked roster".. then they proceed to overrate everyone on the roster and underrate the goat..

[Mr Feeny]

4 rings, 4 ELITE finals MVPS, 4 regular season MVPS, and the all time leader in all kinds of playoff individual stats.

Lebron Jaime, the 2nd best player of all time.

4?

[Mr Feeny]

So Pippen's back was completely fried, but still could play amazing defense? Rodman was so bad in 1998 (your words) he still played amazing defense?



Nice try, Chico. Utah was shit and so was that era.

Jordan was incredible,wasnt he?

[StrongLurk]

4?

OP said the Warriors essentially lost to the Cavs in 2015...so that means Leyouknowwho now has 4 rings/4fmvps.

That bumps Lebron over Kareem for the number 2 spawt.

[Mr Feeny]

OP said the Warriors essentially lost to the Cavs in 2015...so that means Leyouknowwho now has 4 rings/4fmvps.

That bumps Lebron over Kareem for the number 2 spawt.

Hmm. Not sure what to make of that. The warriors obviously won. Not ifs or buts. Maybe he meant that the Cavs would have won had they had everyone healthy (in his opinion).

[StrongLurk]

Hmm. Not sure what to make of that. The warriors obviously won. Not ifs or buts. Maybe he meant that the Cavs would have won had they had everyone healthy (in his opinion).

Most people agree 2015 and 2019 are asterisk rings due to massive injuries to star players on ONE of the finals teams.

It's not a subjective thing.

[Mr Feeny]

Most people agree 2015 and 2019 are asterisk rings due to massive injuries to star players on ONE of the finals teams.

It's not a subjective thing.

If 2019 is an asterisk ring, then so was 2016. A member of the original trio missed 4 quarters in 2016, and missed 5 quarters in 2019. Durant's addition here for 1 quarter made up for Klay missing an extra quarter. I dont normally agree with 3ball, but there is no asterisk here.

You're sounding like Steven A Smith who constantly cries about the 2016 Cavaliers title being bs because "that damn suspension was a joke".

[StrongLurk]

If 2019 is an asterisk ring, then so was 2016. A member of the original trio missed 4 quarters in 2016, and missed 5 quarters in 2019. Durant's addition here for 1 quarter made up for Klay missing an extra quarter. I dont normally agree with 3ball, but there is no asterisk here.

You're sounding like Steven A Smith who constantly cries about the 2016 Cavaliers title being bs because "that damn suspension was a joke".

2016 is NOT an asterisk, not even close. Draymond was suspended one game through his own actions (too many playoff technicals, through MULTIPLE series) and was NOT INJURED. Meanwhile Kevin Love missed game 3 and played with concussion symptoms the rest of the finals. That series was clearly an even playing field.

MEANWHILE, Kevin Durant, the best player in the world, played 12 minutes in one finals game...on top of that Klay missed clearly enough time to negatively effect the Warriors.

KD playing 12 minutes does NOT offset Klay missing the 4th quarter of game 6. Read this again by the way: KD, the best player in the world, played 12 minutes in one finals game.

We all know the Warriors with KD and Klay not missing games would beat the Raptors. This statement is NOT saying the Raptors weren't a good team...just clearly that they won because of injuries.

How are you trying to get away with forgetting KD?

The Warriors team we saw in the finals was the worst iteration of them over this entire finals fun.

[NBASTATMAN]

If 2019 is an asterisk ring, then so was 2016. A member of the original trio missed 4 quarters in 2016, and missed 5 quarters in 2019. Durant's addition here for 1 quarter made up for Klay missing an extra quarter. I dont normally agree with 3ball, but there is no asterisk here.

You're sounding like Steven A Smith who constantly cries about the 2016 Cavaliers title being bs because "that damn suspension was a joke".

LOVE missed 4 quarters too in 2016.. So its even..

[Hey Yo]

It shows that great team defense is about teamwork, system, culture, and effort, more than any 1 perimeter defender

That's why Pippen is overrated - people prop him up because they figure "well, MJ must've had SOMEBODY to win 6 rings"... But they can't consider Pippen's offense to be that great, so they overrate his defense like no one else's

But the reality is that the bulls closed out the 98' Finals without him, and won 6 rings while pippen's man mostly got his - Xavier McDaniel, Worthy, Schrempf, Jerome Kersey, Penny, and many more

Pip was an all-time defender, but his impact has been overblown as time has gone on, and new fans needed to find reasons for the Bulls' ridiculous 6 rings.. they'd look at the roster and be like "gosh, for 6 rings, I don't see a stacked roster".. then they proceed to overrate everyone on the roster and underrate the goat..

"MJ made Pippen"

3ball

[Mr Feeny]

2016 is NOT an asterisk, not even close. Draymond was suspended one game through his own actions (too many playoff technicals, through MULTIPLE series) and was NOT INJURED. Meanwhile Kevin Love missed game 3 and played with concussion symptoms the rest of the finals. That series was clearly an even playing field.

MEANWHILE, Kevin Durant, the best player in the world, played 12 minutes in one finals game...on top of that Klay missed clearly enough time to negatively effect the Warriors.

KD playing 12 minutes does NOT offset Klay missing the 4th quarter of game 6. Read this again by the way: KD, the best player in the world, played 12 minutes in one finals game.

We all know the Warriors with KD and Klay not missing games would beat the Raptors. This statement is NOT saying the Raptors weren't a good team...just clearly that they won because of injuries.

How are you trying to get away with forgetting KD?

Clearly this Warriors team even without KD weren't as good depth/defensive wise as they were in 2016. The Warriors team we say in the finals was the worst iteration of them over this entire finals fun.

I'm not forgetting KD. But why is he relevant. The trio from 2016 were still there and they are the ones who were heralded as the "superteam" in 2016.

I agree about the depth issue so I think they're a little behind the previous iteration.

Draymond getting suspended or injured isnt thah relevant. That delineation doesn't change the fact that an important member missed 4 quarters which is why a lot of people (wrongly) imo say that's an asterisk ring.

You're trying to have it both ways. Say that 2016 was legitimate but this one wasnt. In my opinion, it's either that they're both legit or that they have asterisk.

I'm one of the ones who dont think they are. Injuries take place. Suspensions take place. I dont think there's THAT much of a difference between the team that was playing the Raptors this year and the one that played Celevaland in 2016. Steph was hobbled then but healthy here. Klay was hobbled here but healthy there. Draymond was fine.

I agree about the depth.

[StrongLurk]

OP when talking about the Bulls:
They are the greatest team ever, every player was unstoppable and would destroy this era.

OP when talking about MJ: Pippen and Rodman are extremely overrated and MJ carried more burden then anyone.

Face it, OP is just a massive troll. He hides behind MJ since he is the easiest player to stan and just uses MJ as a catalyst to get his daily fix of trolling