Only Phil coached THREE top 10 players and every top 10 player has/is worth 3+ rings

[Jasper]

So let's not overrate this guy

read title of thread as well as OP ...

pop has a top ten player =Duncan , so he as at least One..

Red A. for Boston had probably at least 3 by the mid 60's

[3ball]

4.Jordan assist and scoring percentages were due to the fact that he had a GOAT supporting cast, how can you not understand that?
[COLOR="Red"]He had GOAT role players in paxton and kerr to pass the ball out to[/COLOR]
And the goat wingman in pippen to pass the ball to..

Lebron has FAR more shooters spacing the floor for him than Jordan ever did - the Cavs shot 30 threes per game in 2016, compared to 5 per game for the 1991 Bulls, and 15 per game for the 2nd three-peat Bulls.

lebron demanded a system be molded around him, and we he did [COLOR="Red"]he ALWAYS won..[/COLOR]

Lebron mostly loses - he's 3/7 in the Finals and he's only 3/13 in championship frequency for his career... Compare that to 6/6 and 6/15 (40%) goat frequency.

And Lebron getting the offense molded around him means he has it easier - he didn't need or have the skill to change his game and get his points within a system that restricted his movements - instead, he had full freedom to hold the ball as long as he wanted, which requires less skill to get stats.

jordan is a top 5 scorer i'll give you that but lebron is the OVERALL BETTER player.

Jordan averages nearly the same assists in the playoffs despite carrying a far heavier scoring load - Jordan is also the best defender ever at his position, which Lebron is not... So Jordan is the better overall player.

Btw, the one time he played PG for 24 games in 1989, he averaged 30/9/11, including 10 triple douhbles inh 11 games - Lebron has never passed this well, nor has he ever passed as well as Jordan did in 1991 Finals.

This allowed him to get more 1 on 1 situations due to teams [COLOR="Red"]not being able to double team him[/COLOR] in fear of getting torched by his teammates

Jordan is the most double-teamed perimeter player of all-time - this is common knowledge - he was frequently doubled 10+ times in a quarter, as documented below.

Here's Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=88

Here's more examples of Jordan getting doubled on every possession:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=386210


In contrast to Jordan getting doubled 10+ times in a QUARTER, Lebron was doubled-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 FINALS:

"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. [COLOR="Blue"]When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting[/COLOR] (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...defensive-team

1. Bosh was barely a top 5 pf in the league in 2010

You're lying - most people said he was the best PF and he was top 5 in PER for the entire league, let alone among PF's

[COLOR="Red"]Jordan couldn't guard or block a center[/COLOR]

Jordan blocked far better centers than lebron ever blocked - he blocked Shaq and Hakeem MANY times..








And his career blocks in regular season and playoffs is the same as Lebron's - Lebron doesn't block shots better than Jordan.

[COLOR="Red"]Jordan couldn't chasedown a top athlete in iguadala from the backcourt[/COLOR]

[Rocketswin2013]

phil saved shaq and jordan's careers. from super talented underachievers to dominant wnners.

[TheWinningFam]

[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron has FAR more shooters spacing the floor for him than Jordan ever did - the Cavs shot 30 threes per game in 2016, compared to 5 per game for the 1991 Bulls, and 15 per game for the 2nd three-peat Bulls.



Lebron mostly loses - he's 3/7 in the Finals and he's only 3/13 in championship frequency for his career... Compare that to 6/6 and 6/15 (40%) goat frequency.

And Lebron getting the offense molded around him means he has it easier - he didn't need or have the skill to change his game and get his points within a system that restricted his movements - instead, he had full freedom to hold the ball as long as he wanted, which requires less skill to get stats.




Jordan averages nearly the same assists in the playoffs despite carrying a far heavier scoring load - Jordan is also the best defender ever at his position, which Lebron is not... So Jordan is the better overall player.

Btw, the one time he played PG for 24 games in 1989, he averaged 30/9/11, including 10 triple douhbles inh 11 games - Lebron has never passed this well, nor has he ever passed as well as Jordan did in 1991 Finals.



Jordan is the most double-teamed perimeter player of all-time - this is common knowledge - he was frequently doubled 10+ times in a quarter, as documented below.

Here's Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=88

Here's more examples of Jordan getting doubled on every possession:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=386210


In contrast to Jordan getting doubled 10+ times in a QUARTER, Lebron was doubled-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 FINALS:

[INDENT][I]"Curry

[ScalsFan21]

MJ really did come out of nowhere on that Shaq block. Shaq was so convinced it was a 1 on 1 situation that he idiotically went up with the right hand there when it was so obviously not the right shot for that situation. Or maybe it just seems that way on slo-mo gif form.

Still, that was a nasty stuff.

Shot-blocking is such an overrated aspect of defense. LeBron IMO was the more versatile defender, but also more prone to "picking and choosing" his spots. LeBron's help defense is truly GOAT level, where Michael really could lock up an opposing guard to the point where they'd basically cry.

Iggy block > Malone strip any day in terms of championship importance. Just sayin'.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nope, Phil coached TWO top 10 players, MJ and Shaq specifically, unless you consider Pippen a top 10 which I personally dont think so.

[Bankaii]

@ This LeBron turd call out another player on his FT's. Keep living that basement life, LeBron turd.

If science advances enough to get you a brain transplant, you might want to take a look at this post, if you want to have a legit argument.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...87&postcount=6

Keep on bringing up Lebron and throwing out insults because your feelings are hurt.

2006 was rigged, get over it and quit melting down.

[branslowski]

Nope, Phil coached TWO top 10 players, MJ and Shaq specifically, unless you consider Pippen a top 10 which I personally dont think so.

Stop reaching, ur stupid is showing.

[TheWinningFam]

Stop reaching, ur stupid is showing.

kobe needed help from one of the GOAT coaches AND goat centers, But lets take shaq out of the equation and evaluate his 2 title clinchers without him..



09 title- 30-5-6 on 43% on shooting
10 title - 23-2-15 on 25% shooting
And these were for his just 2 mvp winning championships, he was argubaly only the best player for ONE of them AND only had the best final game ONCE .. Lebron NEVER had this problem..

[aj1987]

Keep on bringing up Lebron and throwing out insults because your feelings are hurt.

2006 was rigged, get over it and quit melting down.

Why do you insist on proving that you're a massive retard? Just hold the L and move along, LeBron turd.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Jordan was 1-9 pre-Pippen

What was he pre-Phil?

[Bankaii]

Why do you insist on proving that you're a massive retard? Just hold the L and move along, LeBron turd.

You're literally the only one ITT talking about Lebron.
Ad hom is usually a clear sign of a meltdown.

[aj1987]

You're literally the only one ITT talking about Lebron.
Ad hom is usually a clear sign of a meltdown.

Seems like you're blind and retarded. Also, literally doesn't mean what you think it does. You might want to go back and look (no pun intended) at the 2nd post ITT. NBAGOAT, ScalsFan, 3ball, etc..

Again, zero substance when it comes to actually discussing basketball. Hold the L, kid.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Stop reaching, ur stupid is showing.

Nope you are the stupid one. MJ and Shaq were the only two top 10 alltime players Phil Jackson coached. You cant be serious if you believe Pippen is top 10, so quit trying.

[tmacattack33]

Kobe and Pippen are not top 10.