Forget LeBronVsKobe,if LeBron wins the championship thisyear is he better than Jordan

[doinitbig06]

AL right we all know Jordan had the distinctive advantage of going to college, i do believe that helps sharper a teen players game for a year or two, and of course winning a championship there too helps

still 18 year old LeBron got way more attention then 21 year old micheal, LeBron was a undisputed lottery pick, Blazers everyone knows Bowied themselves, Cleveland his hometown has seemed his destiny so far and assuming no matter what he's offered, he's gonna resign with Cleveland

if you compare LeBron James in his 6th season and Micheal Jordan to his 6th season its incredible what LeBron has achieved at 24 years old

1st year - 04 rookie (19) 35-47
on a team that featured only ilgauskas boozer ricky davis darius miles and a mess of guards, leBron still averages good numbers, undisputed rookie of the year

20.9 ppg 5.9 rpg 5.5 apg 39.5 mpg .417 fg% .290 3ptfg .754 ft%

2nd year - 05 all star (20) 42-40
still ilguaskus and now gooden and unfortunately and probably mostly the reason the cavs missed the playoffs is cuz of PGs jeff mcginnis and ira newble but LeBron All-star leading the leauge in minutes played

27.2 ppg 7.4 rpg 7.2 apg 42.4 mpg 47.2 fg% 35.1 3pt% 75 ft%

3rd year - 06 team leader (21) 50-32
after trades that brought over larry hughes donyell marshall and damon jones the LeBron improved in all percentage catagories and leads his team to a 50 win season, the MVP debate began

playoffs
beat gilbert arenas wizards in 6 games
lost to east conf champ pistons in 7 games
30.9 ppg 8.8 rpg 8.1 apg 46.2 mpg 47.3 fg% 33.3 3pt% 73.7 ft%

4th year - 07 MVP play began (22) 50-32
in a second consecutive 50 win season with ilgauskus and the core, still without a great PG, the LeBron was 4th in the league in scoring and PER

playoffs
sleep wizards first good sign
swatted nets in 6 games
famously upsetted eastern conference champion at the time detroit pistons
got SWEPT by the hole at PG and tony parker
25.1 ppg 8.1 rpg 8.0 apg 44.6 mpg 41.3 fg% 28 3pt% 75 ft%

5th year - 08 defending eastern conference champs, but KG (23) 45-37
still second in their division to the pistons, due to the pistons and THEIR point guard (at the time) the cavs had no stability at that position and slipped a bit, kobe MVP

playoffs
routinely swat the wizards in 6 games
as the 4th seed played 1 seed eventual champion celtics to 7 epic games
28.2 ppg 7.8 rpg 7.6 apg 42.5 mpg 41.1 fg% 25.7 3pt% 73.1 ft%

6th year 09 MVP (24) 66-16
finally got their PG to start 81 games and be 2nd in scoring and assists and the cavs are the same as the celtics were the previous season or better, LeBron career high fg%, ft%, 3pt%, career low mpg

playoffs
routinely destroy shell pistons
atlanta's playing well against them and still losing in 5 (just 1 win please )
LeBron and Cavs beat defending champion celtics or DPOY led magic in 6
33.7 ppg 10.0 rpg 6.6 apg


of course this all depends on if LeBron wins the championship this season, because if he does, who in the eastern conference is to say they dont win it EVERY season for the next 10 damn years?!?

michael jordan won his 6 championships at age 27, 28, 29 and 32, 33, 34

if LeBron wins his first at 24 the NBA is in trouble

[PleezeBelieve]

Lebron right now is as good as Jordan ever was.

You cannot argue otherwise. LeBron's FT shootingn can improve, but he makes up for with his floor game.

[2LeTTeRS]

Lebron right now is as good as Jordan ever was.

You cannot argue otherwise. LeBron's FT shootingn can improve, but he makes up for with his floor game.

False. MJ was a superior defensive player, and a more complete offensive player because he had a much better mid-range jumper and post game. LeBron still has a long way to go to make it to MJ level as an individual player, and thats before we bring championships into the picture.

[doinitbig06]

and this is with MIKE BROWN a coach that entered the NBA the same year as James, it didn't take the triangle offense of Phil Jackson

[Lebron23]

He still needs to win 6 NBA Championships and 6 NBA Regular Season MVP, but current LeBron is a much better team player than Young Michael Jordan.

[doinitbig06]

False. MJ was a superior defensive player, and a more complete offensive player because he had a much better mid-range jumper and post game. LeBron still has a long way to go to make it to MJ level as an individual player, and thats before we bring championships into the picture.

LeBron James does not have a LONG way to go before making it to MJ level as an induvidual and especially his making teammates better, his midrange has gotten stupid in these playoffs, he's shooting 55.5% dude, and his 3pt shot right now is better than Micheal Jordan's ever was, he doesn't post that often because he doesnt have to even at 6'8 260, and he's only 24

[doinitbig06]

He still needs to win 6 NBA Championships and 6 NBA Regular Season MVP, but current LeBron is a much better team player than Young Michael Jordan.

man screw the damn david stern award show im talking BASKETBALL PLAY, statistically Jordan still owns with he always avging at least 30 ppg at 50% fg but LeBron is a much better rebounder, just as good defender, and as good a passer, if he can ever shoot 80% fts LeBon will average 40 ppg

[JJ81]

lol

[PleezeBelieve]

I swear to God you idiots are parrots. Greratness is staring you right in the face and you still try to dismiss it. And for what? Just to build Jordan'js legacy?

70% of you lames didn't see Jordan's career in full and the other 30% are Bulls fans.

I don't need to argue the points cause reality is just that, real. Can't get around LeBron's numbers. And he's doing it with FAR less talent than Jordan had in his prime.

[Roundball_Rock]

Nah. Let's compare the two, assuming LeBron wins the championship this year.

Championships

Jordan: 6
James: 1

Finals record

Jordan: 6-0
James: 1-1 (and the loss was a sweep!)

MVP's

Jordan: 5
James: 1

Times top 3 in MVP voting:

Jordan: 10 (every full season from 1987 to 1998)
James: 2

Times top 5 in MVP voting:

Jordan: 10
James: 4

Defensive Player of the Year Awards

Jordan: 1
James: 0

All-NBA first team appearances

Jordan: 10
James: 2

All-Defensive first team appearances

Jordan: 9
James: 1

Scoring championships

Jordan: 10
James: 1

Need I continue? James has potential but has a long way to go before he enters the top 10 all-time, let alone gets into the GOAT discussion. Forget Lebron versus Kobe? Lebron has yet to overtake Kobe all-time. If Lebron retired tomorrow he would not be top 20 all-time.

[PleezeBelieve]

The way I look at things is... if two players had equal talent, then who would win?

In a LeBron v Jordan scenario, LeBron beats him 7 out of 10 times. His doinance is too much for Jordan to overcome. Frankly, Lebron can check Jordan adequately while Jordan would stand no chancve versus LeBron.

Game. Set. Match.

[Roundball_Rock]

And he's doing it with FAR less talent than Jordan had in his prime.

Jordan had one all-star on his team in his prime; Lebron has one current all-star and three former all-stars (Ben Wallace, 4x; Big Z, 2x; Wally S 1x), a 4x defensive player of the year, and a former #1 draft pick.

[Roundball_Rock]

The way I look at things is... if two players had equal talent, then who would win?

Good question. The guy who went 6-0 in the NBA finals or the guy who got swept in the finals on 35.6% shooting while averaging almost as many turnovers (6) as assists (7)?

[DukeDelonte13]

Jordan had one all-star on his team in his prime; Lebron has one current all-star and three former all-stars (Ben Wallace, 4x; Big Z, 2x; Wally S 1x), a 4x defensive player of the year, and a former #1 draft pick.

i hate ppl that make this ridiculous argument. Need I remind you that our only "allstar" was an allstar because of injuries, Z is no allstar he was 5 years ago, Ben is pretty much a non factor now, and I don't even know when Wally became an allstar but it sure as hell wasn't recent.

[Da_Realist]

Lebron right now is as good as Jordan ever was.

You cannot argue otherwise. LeBron's FT shootingn can improve, but he makes up for with his floor game.

Two different leagues. MJ dominated a big man's league. Lebron is dominating a perimeter-oriented league. And even then, MJ was better. Check what each was able to accomplish after relatively the same amount of games.

Reg Season
MJ (85-91, 509 games)
32.6 pts, 5.9 asts, 6.3 rebs, 2.8 stls, 1.1 blks, 52 fg%

LB (05-09, 472 games and counting)
27.5 pts, 6.7 asts, 7.0 rebs, 1.8 stls, 0.9 blks, 47 fg%

Playoffs
MJ (85-90, 53 games)
35.8 pts, 6.7 asts, 6.9 rebs, 2.5 stls, 1.0 blks, 51 fg%

LB (05-09, 53 games and counting)
28.4 pts, 7.2 asts, 8.3 rebs, 1.7 stls, 0.8 blks, 45 fg%