How many 'All NBA 1st Team Defense' Awards has Kobe stolen from Dwayne Wade?

[K.Koscik]

Realistically, Dwade has missed a ton of games (including in his prime).

Dwayne Wade was a better weakside and help defender imo but Kobe was a better man on man defender, especially in the perimeter.

In his prime, Wade was one the most exciting and effective shot blockers under 6'8" in the league. He was effective man to man and his speed made him a pest in the passing lanes. No other guard has seemed to block as many shots as him in recent memory.

Pause right there though and realize I said Shooting guard. Yeah Wade's defense looks prettier, but he's not a big man so his inside defense doesn't outweigh Kobe's perimeter defense. If I need 24 seconds of the best defense I can find, I'm taking Kobe until 2011.

Guards play on the outside thus raising their value of defense on the perimeter. Inside defense is very important in the NBA, but the way any 5 man defense operates successfully begins with what happens on the perimeter. If a PG, SG, or SF is getting a look at the rim, that usually means the initial perimeter defender has failed (thats why a rim defender is the last line of defense not the defense).

If you say Wade is the better defender than you are saying that if you were building a team, you choose the shooting guard more capable of defending the rim (i feel like Wade's gambling and Bryant's 48 minute effort in the later years negate themselves). I disagree, I say that Bryant is more valuable to me on defense as the player more likely to be the more effective first line of defense.

Those voters aren't as dumb as some of you think. Everyone looks to argue but where are the fans who watch the game to gain understanding of it and enjoy the others who have done the same? I could argue every Wade and Bryant defense thread but after you get to a certain understanding its like

I love Wade as a 2 way guard and I think he's historically awesome but there's a reason that Kobe is considered top ten by just about anyone who has any credibility with basketball, while those arguing so hard against him have no credibility other than "Well, only an idiot would suggest otherwise"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iou1L27tyZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWwNxTdEQkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oXvRCXnds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inz64Zdk0zo

[Rooster]

Prime Artest was one of my favorite players to watch. I personally preferred him defensively than Bowen because of his diverse approach to relinquishing an opponent on offense. Artest could defend you on the perimeter, in the post, use his body, use his hands, use his feet. He was calculating and intimidating.

If he had just allowed offense to come to him instead of forcing the issue as often as he did, he could have been significantly better.

Well you just have to take the good from the bad and that 3 that he made on game 7 against the Celtics was in forever lore in the Purple and Gold history. I mean he could have played like Bobby Jones with good shot selection and still be overlooked and underappreciated.

[JohnFreeman]

[Fire Colangelo]

Wade wasn't exactly a lockdown defender either. GOAT guard shot blocked, but he always gambled too much on defense for my liking

[coin24]

Poor Jameer still upset he got shat all over in his last thread

What future lakers player are you scrubs going to draft this time??

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Title.

how many sperms your mother stole from me?

u 18 yet?

[riseagainst]

how many people in here can legally buy cigarettes?

[riseagainst]

Realistically, Dwade has missed a ton of games (including in his prime).

Dwayne Wade was a better weakside and help defender imo but Kobe was a better man on man defender, especially in the perimeter.

In his prime, Wade was one the most exciting and effective shot blockers under 6'8" in the league. He was effective man to man and his speed made him a pest in the passing lanes. No other guard has seemed to block as many shots as him in recent memory.

Pause right there though and realize I said Shooting guard. Yeah Wade's defense looks prettier, but he's not a big man so his inside defense doesn't outweigh Kobe's perimeter defense. If I need 24 seconds of the best defense I can find, I'm taking Kobe until 2011.

Guards play on the outside thus raising their value of defense on the perimeter. Inside defense is very important in the NBA, but the way any 5 man defense operates successfully begins with what happens on the perimeter. If a PG, SG, or SF is getting a look at the rim, that usually means the initial perimeter defender has failed (thats why a rim defender is the last line of defense not the defense).

If you say Wade is the better defender than you are saying that if you were building a team, you choose the shooting guard more capable of defending the rim (i feel like Wade's gambling and Bryant's 48 minute effort in the later years negate themselves). I disagree, I say that Bryant is more valuable to me on defense as the player more likely to be the more effective first line of defense.

Those voters aren't as dumb as some of you think. Everyone looks to argue but where are the fans who watch the game to gain understanding of it and enjoy the others who have done the same? I could argue every Wade and Bryant defense thread but after you get to a certain understanding its like

I love Wade as a 2 way guard and I think he's historically awesome but there's a reason that Kobe is considered top ten by just about anyone who has any credibility with basketball, while those arguing so hard against him have no credibility other than "Well, only an idiot would suggest otherwise"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iou1L27tyZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWwNxTdEQkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oXvRCXnds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inz64Zdk0zo