ISH opinions: is Lebron already ahead of Kobe all-time wise??

[JT123]

wait.. you're using the eye test. and siding with lebron james with his 2 left feet, bow legged, awkward flopping, charging, traveling, diamond shaped elbow out jump shot having, no off hand shot having beyond 2 feet, awkward post game, bullying and running over defenders with no call unless it favors him, with his pathetic 7 rebounds a game while being a 6-9, 270 pound power forward with more power and leaping ability than most big men, and 70% of his points coming off layups with the other 30% coming off wide open threes of bs foul calls?


yeah.. you're one blind ass mofo... stick to worshiping PER

Kenneth having another meltdown.

[fpliii]

Comparing their best seasons:

LeBron's 2009 > Kobe's 2003
LeBron's 2010 > Kobe's 2006
LeBron's 2011 = Kobe's 2008
LeBron's 2012 > Kobe's 2009
LeBron's 2013 > Kobe's 2010

Other comparable seasons:

LeBron's 2008 > Kobe's 2007
LeBron's 2006 < Kobe's 2001
LeBron's 2007 < Kobe's 2002
LeBron's 2014 > Kobe's 2004

You have 2011 LeBron > 2014 LeBron, and 2003 Kobe > 2007 Kobe?

[Inferno]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's?

[mehyaM24]

lebron is already the games greatest all-around player, all time.

1 ring in cleveland would cement him the GOAT, 2 more and it would be universal

the article i posted earlier about today's defenses/offenses being more advanced will help lebron's case a ton.

same with older players in the 80s/90s era already saying lebron is greater than jordan, both physically and from a mental aspect (e.g. getting more out of his teammates).

[Warfan]

call me when lebron breaks the 70 point barrier

at kobes peak he was a threat to score 60 every night

infact a little known fact:

kobe scored 62 in 3 quarters

michael jordans highest total after 4 quarters is 61


lebron is not better than kobe. even at his absolute best

Where are all of kobe's 50 point games in the playoffs? He had 1 against Phoenix, that's it. And peak isn't one game, nor do you just look at points too see who had the better peak.

[kennethgriffin]

What does any of this mean? Shaq doesn't have a jumpshot and made a career out of bullying defenders but you wouldn't argue that his prime wasn't better than kobe's. Or would you?

shaqs more dominant. but not a better basketball player

theres a difference between efficiency and skill

shaq was more valuable at his absolute best. but not the more talented player



lebron is kind of like shaq. he takes advantage of officiating, loose rules, and physical advantages... that makes him the most efficient. but a better basketball player? na


whos a better football player? some 500 pound offensive lineman. or jim brown, jerry rice, barry sanders etc??

that offensive lineman can be valuable. but thats about it

[navy]

All time? The answer is no.

If your asking if Lebron is better than Kobe than yes.

Not hard to understand.

[JT123]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's?

ether

[kennethgriffin]

Where are all of kobe's 50 point games in the playoffs? He had 1 against Phoenix, that's it. And peak isn't one game, nor do you just look at points too see who had the better peak.

kobe was too busy being the assist leader on all 5 championship teams. since he had to do double duty because he wasnt lucky enough to have a pippen on his team

imagine if kobe had a guy like scottie to do all his dirty work and set up the offense... kobe could have focused on scoring more. but thats the sacrifice kobe made to win

see.. unlike lebron. kobe brings the best out of team mates. players have career years with him.

because kobe suffocates their games. he turns them into outside kick out shooters just so lebron can pad 1 or 2 more assists. but sometimes being a play maker means being the 3rd last man to touch the ball so your offense runs more smoothly.

[Inferno]

ether

Not even trying to discredit Kobe...I agree with red1 that peak Bron was a hair better than peak Kobe, but Kobe's still ahead career-wise as of now just due to his crazy longevity and amount of accolades

[navy]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's?

People are so dumb. Lebron scores a lot of points on high efficiency.

If Lebron didnt protect his fg% he would average over 30 a game on still high efficiency. What the hell.

[JT123]

Where are all of kobe's 50 point games in the playoffs? He had 1 against Phoenix, that's it. And peak isn't one game, nor do you just look at points too see who had the better peak.

Warriors fans making a lot of good points today.
Kobe doesn't really have any signature playoff games. Sure, he has playoff games in which he scored a lot, but non of them are very memorable.
Lebron on the other hand has Detroit game 5, Boston game 6, and San Antonio game 7 just to name a few.

[kennethgriffin]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's?

i think kobe has the same PPG as lebron career minutes wise

both lebron and kobes per 36min average is 25.0ppg


lebron doesnt scorer any more often than kobe does. its just due lebron going to cleveland and kobe going to LA

if lebron was drafted in 96 to a contending lakers team and already had an allstar prime player in lebrons spot. lebron also comes off the bench

if kobe gets drafted to cleveland in 04. his career average probably goes up to 30ppg


but in the end. sometimes career winners have to sacrifice career ppg ...

[hawke812]

Kobe>Lebron

Lebron>>>>>>>>>jordan

[poido123]

lebron is already the games greatest all-around player, all time.

1 ring in cleveland would cement him the GOAT, 2 more and it would be universal

the article i posted earlier about today's defenses/offenses being more advanced will help lebron's case a ton.

same with older players in the 80s/90s era already saying lebron is greater than jordan, both physically and from a mental aspect (e.g. getting more out of his teammates).

You post a lot like Silk or Tony Montana...

This is pure trolling and garbage.

The fact you would say lebron would be GOAT after winning one more ring with Cavs is just absurd