HOF with no all nba selections?

[get these NETS]

AK and Bowen were better defenders than Marion
how the fck is that a joke

bowen was over rated..and dirty

ak was pretty good defender....great instincts....foot speed.and long limbs


marion to me was a better defender than either guy..better all around player also

marion is the closest thing to pippen since pippen......not quite the ball handler or distributor but to me not that far from pipp defensively

[Yankstar]

Look at Kobe's all defensive first team nods. Is he really the GOAT perimeter defender?

Yes, most all nba first defensive teams seems to indicate that he is indeed up there with the GOAT defenders

[moe94]

Yes, most all nba first defensive teams seems to indicate that he is indeed up there with the GOAT defenders

Would you say Kobe is a top 5 perimeter defender of all time? His accolades suggest he's of that caliber, at worst.

[get these NETS]

kobe kg and duncan got some accolades off of reputation


seeing that marion has never gotten an all defense selection makes it a joke

[Stringer Bell]

nba players who made basketball hof with no all nba selections?


you figure that reggie miller would not have any nba first team selections cause of MJ


Rodman won't have any all nba selections


I don't know if there were 2 all nba teams selected in Wilt's day and not sure when it was changed to 3 full all nba teams but can you think of other players who got int the hall without making first team ever......or without making any of the teams?

do you think that you're a legit hof without ever being one of the best five players in the league? (with the defensive specialists as exceptions)

It's not just because of Jordan. All-NBA teams just pick 2 guards and 2 forwards regardless of PG or SG, SF or PF.

There were a number of guards better than Reggie so it's no surprise.


Dennis Rodman: 3rd Team- 1991-92 and 1994-95
Reggie Miller: 3rd Team- 1994-95, 1995-96, and 1997-98.

[NumberSix]

Would you say Kobe is a top 5 perimeter defender of all time? His accolades suggest he's of that caliber, at worst.

Fffffffcuk no.

Most of the best perimeter defenders are defensive specialists. Not the superstar scoring guys.

The Heat alone have 3 guys who are better all time perimeter defenders than Kobe. Michael and Scottie are both better than Kobe. Tony Allen in his prime is way better than Kobe ever was. Artest is better. Payton is better. Stockton is better. Moncrief. Kobe is not even close to sniffing top 10.

[moe94]

Kobe is not even close to sniffing top 10.

I know, which makes it that much funnier.

[fpliii]

Would you say Kobe is a top 5 perimeter defender of all time? His accolades suggest he's of that caliber, at worst.

Definitely not. To be fair, most superstar offensive wings are overrated defensively. I don't know if MJ is a top 5 perimeter defender all=time either (though he was a much better help defender than Kobe, so that helps his case).

The top 5 perimeter defenders ever are most likely defensive specialists/role players.

[NumberSix]

Definitely not. To be fair, most superstar offensive wings are overrated defensively. I don't know if MJ is a top 5 perimeter defender all=time either (though he was a much better help defender than Kobe, so that helps his case).

The top 5 perimeter defenders ever are most likely defensive specialists/role players.

Its kinda hard to compare defenders across different eras because the rules are so different. If LeBron and Wade were allowed to play physical defense like Jordan's era, they'd be so much better man defenders than they are currently allowed by the rules.

[fpliii]

Its kinda hard to compare defenders across different eras because the rules are so different. If LeBron and Wade were allowed to play physical defense like Jordan's era, they'd be so much better man defenders than they are currently allowed by the rules.

Probably, but they're both great help defenders, and team D is more impactful than help D.

Either way, they're both tremendous two-way players who would be great in any era.

[get these NETS]

It's not just because of Jordan. All-NBA teams just pick 2 guards and 2 forwards regardless of PG or SG, SF or PF.

There were a number of guards better than Reggie so it's no surprise.


Dennis Rodman: 3rd Team- 1991-92 and 1994-95
Reggie Miller: 3rd Team- 1994-95, 1995-96, and 1997-98.

thanks for correction

[inclinerator]

What the **** is wrong with you?

[Stringer Bell]

thanks for correction

No problem, I like this topic.

Adrian Dantley: 2nd Team in 1980-81 and 1983-84.
Bill Bradley: Never made any All-NBA teams.
Dave DeBusschere: 2nd Team in 1968-69
Calvin Murphy: Never made any All-NBA teams.
Frank Ramsey: Never made any All-NBA teams

[Droid101]

No problem, I like this topic.

Adrian Dantley: 2nd Team in 1980-81 and 1983-84.

String laying down the knowledge.

[La Frescobaldi]

Probably, but they're both great help defenders, and team D is more impactful than help D.

Either way, they're both tremendous two-way players who would be great in any era.

So was Bryant.