How would MJ do on the 2014 Knicks in place of Carmelo?

[Roundball_Rock]

Finals? ECF? 55 wins or 60?

[Dragic4Life]

Safe to say they make the finals.

As for whether he beat the Spurs....Well refer to my thread please.

[Kvnzhangyay]

ECF, probably would lose to the Heat, but even if they somehow made the Finals (low chance but you never know) they would definitely lose to the Spurs anyways

2014 Knicks with MJ still < MJ's bulls b4 Pippen

[navy]

A lower seed and a first or second round exit.

[inclinerator]

40 wins

[played0ut]

ECF tops, I think. The knicks are a baddd team. And their system...



It would be like Jordan Bulls Pre-Phil Jackson. Jordan putting up ungodly numbers but not not the W.

He'd also bitch and argue with FO until they make the team he wants/needs.

[SexSymbol]

1st round exit.
One man can only do so much

[Soundwave]

We're talking an MJ in his relative prime? 30 years old (same age as Melo)? That would be a Jordan better than any of the second threepeat iterations. Younger, more athletic, able to play bigger minutes, playing in a league with no hand checking and rules skewed towards giving wing players more free throws?

I think probably a .700 team with a ECF date at minimum. Knicks suck, but the East sucks even worse right now, they would win quite a few regular season games.

The Knicks really weren't as bad portrayed last year anyway, didn't their record magically improve after Phil was hired? To me that suggests they weren't playing properly motivated to begin with.

Jordan isn't just a volume scorer either, he is a very good rebounder, and was a willing passer if other guys legitimately were playing well or had a better shot.

We forget that Jordan has the record for one of the fastest triple doubles in NBA history, and racked up several of them in a row when the Bulls moved him to PG for a stretch. He's also an elite level perimeter defender. And he's a much better leader than Carmelo. That's a pretty huge upgrade to the Knicks IMO in areas beyond just scoring.

[Roundball_Rock]

The Knicks really weren't as bad portrayed last year anyway, didn't their record magically improve after Phil was hired? To me that suggests they weren't playing properly motivated to begin with.

Yeah it was weird how they were 54-28 the previous year and then started out this year something like 4-12.

[Soundwave]

The 97-98 Bulls played at about a 68% win clip without Pippen, and that's a very tired team coming off 2 championships (we've all seen in teams attempting a threepeat, that there is a dropoff in that third season) and a 35/36 year old Jordan.

And actually that team while they started off fairly shakey without Pip by Bulls standards was red-hot by the time they found their groove.

They were 12-2 in their 14 games before Pippen returned, if they had played the whole season, they probably would've finished with a win percentage north of 70% without him.

[Denitron]

Ring and FMVP

[Trollsmasher]

Is Pippen on the team? If not, then sub 0.500 record.

[Soundwave]

Yeah it was weird how they were 54-28 the previous year and then started out this year something like 4-12.

Yeah to me this implies there's a problem with leadership and/or motivation.

If Carmelo could get them to win 54 games once, then I tend to think with prime Jordan they would hit 60+ wins.

[Real14]

Knicks haterz are sure showing their true colorz in this thread

[BigBoss]

First round exit against the Pacers.

That team's problem was the system and distractions.