How Many Quad-Doubles Did Wilt Have?

[Borat]

Competition aren't just a select few though. It's collective.

Yes but he put up the same or similar stat lines against these players as he did the worse players.

He was ahead of his time. He would be a shaq like player in todays day and age, but playing in a era where the game had not quiter developed athletically, skillfully and professionally as today.

[iamgine]

That applies to ALL eras, though. Average and below-average players exist in every season.

But perhaps the gap was much wider in that era.

[Borat]

I have no idea how mant shots Russell blocked in his career, but he and Wilt are considered the two greatest shot blockers in NBA history.

Guys like Mutombo, Robinson, Mourning and Olajuwon are in that discussion. They have great block shot numbers against players that are more adept and creative at finishing.

[jlauber]

But perhaps the gap was much wider in that era.

Maybe, maybe not. In Wilt's '67 season, in a ten team league, he routinely faced the likes of Reed, Embry, Beaty, Bellamy, Thurmond, and Russell (he played against each team in the league NINE times.)

All he did that season was average 24.1 ppg, 24.2 rpg, 7.8 apg, and shot .683 from the field.

He also AVERAGED a near 30-30 game against RUSSELL in his 142 CAREER H2H's (28.7 ppg, and 28.7 rpg.) He hung 24 games of 40+ points on him, as well as five of 50+ (and even a high game of 62.) In addition, he had 17 40-30 games against him.

[iamgine]

If Dwight Howard still play with Amare, Bogut, Bynum, Love, etc but the rest of the NBA is replaced by college players level then Howard's gonna dominate too because the gap is wide. Is that what happen in that era?

[Sarcastic]

Guys like Mutombo, Robinson, Mourning and Olajuwon are in that discussion. They have great block shot numbers against players that are more adept and creative at finishing.

Mark Eaton and Manute Bol too.

[jlauber]

If Dwight Howard still play with Amare, Bogut, Bynum, Love, etc but the rest of the NBA is replaced by college players level then Howard's gonna dominate too because the gap is wide. Is that what happen in that era?

I really think the early 70's was the golden age of centers. First off, 7-2 Artis Gilmore was an NBA-level center (while he dominated in the ABA, he is the all-time NBA FG% leader), then there was Hayes, Cowens, Reed, Bellamy, Lanier, Unseld, McAdoo, Thurmond, Kareem, and Chamberlain...ALL in the HOF.

Interesting, too, that Wilt DOMINATED those guys on the glass, was voted first-team all-defense over them in his LAST two seasons, and shot .649 and .727 from the field in those last two seasons. In fact, in his LAST post-season, he averaged 22.5 rpg in his 17 games (and on 47.1 mpg)...in a league that averaged 50.6 rpg. Then, think about this. That was the LAST time an NBA player ever averaged 20+ rpg in the post-season...AND, the next best post-season is Kareem's '77 playoff run, at 17.3 rpg.

[The_Yearning]

It's relative. He is good in an era of horribly weak centers.

Lmao did this guy just talk about different eras?

Oh the irony.

Wilt basically was playing with himself to get those stats brah.

[jlauber]

Lmao did this guy just talk about different eras?

Oh the irony.

Wilt basically was playing with himself to get those stats brah.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

Of all his memories of Wilt Chamberlain, the one that stood out for Larry Brown happened long after Chamberlain's professional career had ended. On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt. "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim." Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently.

Stewart, Larry (1999-10-13). "Giant Towered Over the Rest". The Los Angeles Times.

[jlauber]

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

In 1982, when he was 45 and Philadelphia 76er owner Harold Katz was hot after him, the Houston Chronicle's George White asked Elvin Hayes if Chamberlain could still play. "Some things about Wilt, you never forgot," Hayes said. "He was such an awesome physical specimen. To go up under Wilt Chamberlain, to be down there and look up at him when he's towering up over you waiting to dunk, was a terrifying picture. To see him poised up there, knowing he was about to sweep down with that big jam . . . that must be the most frightening sight in sports. The ball goes shooting through the net and you better have your body covered up because he could really hurt someone. I was scared. Everyone was scared when he got that look in his eye, that don't-try-to-stop-this look that he got when he really wanted it. . . . "I think Russell realized there was no way he could have stopped Wilt if he had been fully intent on making it a two-man game. No one who ever put on a uniform could have done it. When I played him, I kept this foremost in my mind: Above all, don't make him mad. Don't embarrass him. You wanted to keep him quiet as long as possible."
Heisler, Mark (1999-10-13). "Larger Than Life". The Los Angeles Times.

"Nobody seems to appreciate what an incredible player Wilt was," Russell said at 1997 All-Star Game when the league named and honored its 50 greatest players. "He was the best player of all time because he dominated the floor like nobody else ever could. To be that big and that athletic was special."

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Trolling aside, Wilt was one of the most complete centers ever, and a fierce rebounder to boot! (in-fact, arguably the greatest). I do think that Rodman was the ultimate hustler/rebounder player though. He took a GARGANTUAN 18.7RPG on 44.3RPG available on his team, that's impressive. Chamberlain never surpassed 40% (available rebounds) of his team; Rodman (from

[millwad]

Maybe, maybe not. In Wilt's '67 season, in a ten team league, he routinely faced the likes of Reed, Embry, Beaty, Bellamy, Thurmond, and Russell (he played against each team in the league NINE times.)

Overrate his competition a little more, Jbieber.

Embry was a 6'8 center who over his career averaged 12.5 points per game on 44% shooting and do what you always do, blame it on the era. The dude was a poor rebounder too for playing in that era. Statwise he is not better than some decent power forward with worse FG% and we all can be sure that he skillwise ain't no where close to the forwards-centers of today.


Reed and Bellamy played on the same team in '67, they were so amazing together that they and their Knick team collected 36 wins over the whole year, haha..

And personally I'd be so scared to play Thurmond in '67, the guy was a beast... who only made 43% of shots..

And by then Russell wasn't in his prime anymore..

AMAZING COMPETITION!

He also AVERAGED a near 30-30 game against RUSSELL in his 142 CAREER H2H's (28.7 ppg, and 28.7 rpg.) He hung 24 games of 40+ points on him, as well as five of 50+ (and even a high game of 62.) In addition, he had 17 40-30 games against him.

He also only won 2 rings compared to Russell's 11 and he did it while not being able to lead any of his teams in the playoffs regarding scoring. First he was Philly's 2nd best scorer in the playoffs and with the Lakers in '72 he was the fourth option on offense.. He never won during the years he put up amazing stats.. and nothing more

[jlauber]

Overrate his competition a little more, Jbieber.

Embry was a 6'8 center who over his career averaged 12.5 points per game on 44% shooting and do what you always do, blame it on the era. The dude was a poor rebounder too for playing in that era. Statwise he is not better than some decent power forward with worse FG% and we all can be sure that he skillwise ain't no where close to the forwards-centers of today.


Reed and Bellamy played on the same team in '67, they were so amazing together that they and their Knick team collected 36 wins over the whole year, haha..

And personally I'd be so scared to play Thurmond in '67, the guy was a beast... who only made 43% of shots..

And by then Russell wasn't in his prime anymore..

AMAZING COMPETITION!



He also only won 2 rings compared to Russell's 11 and he did it while not being able to lead any of his teams in the playoffs regarding scoring. First he was Philly's 2nd best scorer in the playoffs and with the Lakers in '72 he was the fourth option on offense.. He never won during the years he put up amazing stats.. and nothing more

Of course, Wilt didn't have the luxury of getting a near quad double against the likes of toothpick Manute Bol, who would have fouled out in the first five minutes trying to guard Wilt, nor guys like a bunch of stiffs who couldn't play center on the 90's Bucks.

His stat line against those clowns likely would have been 30-30-15-15, and on 75% shooting.

As for leading his team's in scoring...how many times did your boy Hakeem lead the league in scoring (33.5 ppg), rebounding (24.6 rpg), setting a FG% mark at the time (.540 ) all of which were better than ANY of Olajuwon's seasons...as well, as 5.2 apg, and at the same time, taking his team to the BEST RECORD in the league?

Let's face reality here. Hakeem's career is marked by six games against Robinson in one title-winning season, and another seven games against Ewing, who had a worse team. BTW, Robinson basically matched Hakeem in their other 42 H2H games, except outshooting Hakeem by a .488 to .441 margin...and leading his Spurs to a 30-12 record against them.

As for beating a young Shaq? PLEEZE. Shaq, like a 38 year-old Kareem before him, scored AT WILL against him. .595 shooting (to shot-jacking Hakeem's .483) while barely being outscored, and then outrebounding, and outblocking him. Not quite as impressive as pouring in THREE 40+ point games against Hakeem as a 38 year old Kareem did...and in one season, on a mind-numbing .634 FG%...well, a PRIME Kareem would have probably been scoring 50+ in three quarters nightly on him, and on 75% shooting.

Chamberlain, in the twilight of his career, held a PRIME Kareem to .464 shooting (while shooting 53% himself), as well as outrebounding him...which was nearly 100 points under Kareem's career FG% of .559. BTW, Kareem, from age 38 thru 41, shot a laughable .599 against a PRIME Hakeem. Oh, and a PRIME Shaq just pummelled a 36 year old Hakeem in the '99 playoffs. Wilt, at the same age, was holding a PRIME Kareem to .450 shooting in six regular season games, and shooting .737 in the process.

One can only wonder what a PRIME Chamberlain would have brought to the table.

In the meantime, while Wilt was winning FOUR MVPs, and arguably SHOULD have won at least a couple more...Hakeem won exactly ONE, in a season in which MJ took off. Not only that, Wilt was finishing 3rd and 4th in his LAST TWO seasons. How about Hakeem. He had ONE other season in which he finished SECOND, and TWO in which in he finished in the Top-4! In fact, he was only in the Top-TEN in NINE of his EIGHTEEN seasons.

And unlike Wilt, who played on FOUR 60+ win teams, Hakeem NEVER played on one, nor was he ever part of the best record in the league. Of course, even more of an embarrassment was the FACT that Hakeem was part of EIGHT FIRST ROUND playoff exits. Name another great who can match that "feat."

[jlauber]

As for Wil's playoff scoring...how many 38.6 ppg post-season series did Hakeem have (and with 23.0 rpg and shooting .559)? Did Hakeem ever have FOUR 30+ ppg post-seasons? Where are the FOUR 50+ point games that Hakeem might have had in HIS post-seasons (and one of them against the likes of Russell)? Did Hakeem have FOUR 30-20+ post-seasons? Did he have SIX 28-20+ post-seasons? How about EIGHT 20-20+ post-seasons? And while Hakeem shot .488 in his 17 Finals games, Chamberlain shot .560 in his 35. Oh, give me the number of Finals where Hakeem averaged 29-27 .520, and against the caliber of center like Russell? Or how about a 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, .625 FINALS? How many post-seasons did Hakeem average 9.2 apg, or even 6.5 apg? How many TRIPLE-DOUBLE playoff series did Hakeem have? Wilt had TWO. BTW, how about the 13-0 edge that Wilt had over Hakeem in 20 rpg post-seasons?

How about a 21.7 ppg, 29.1 rpg, 9.2 apg, .579 post-season, which included easily outrebounding both HOFers Thurmond and Russell, and holding them to .343 and .358 shooting respectively?

[Fatal9]

it's shocking how much of an insecure pha[COLOR="Black"]g[/COLOR]got you are.