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Old 08-19-2019, 08:10 PM   #1
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Default Are Klay/Dray/Barnes a juggernaut cast and auto-70-wins with any #1 option, or

was Curry the key that unlocked the 70-win capability?

Let's replace Curry with Lebron - with Lebron on the Warriors instead of Curry, Lebron's takeover of the SF position would include more ball-dominance than the previous SF, so that leaves less time for Dray to have the ball (or anyone).. Furthermore, replacing off-ball Curry with the typical PG increases the ball-dominance at PG, which again means less time for Dray to have the ball.. And the higher ball-dominance = less ball movement, which is the Warriors' calling card.

So replacing Curry with lebron would destroy Draymond, similar to fellow forwards Antawn Jamison, Bosh, and Love - the Warriors wouldn't be the same team and would underperform their ceiling with Lebron... Lebron wouldn't sniff 60 wins with Klay/Dray, just like he didn't with Kyrie/Love
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:15 PM   #2
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why would you even include barnes?

as for the question, klay n dray are wizards esque on their own.

No on ball all star scorers or playmakers... has a team ever succeeded with that?

not to mention dray's second round talent not being unlocked in a sub optimal culture / team.

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Old 08-19-2019, 08:21 PM   #4
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why would you even include barnes?

as for the question, klay n dray are wizards esque on their own.

No on ball all star scorers or playmakers... has a team ever succeeded with that?

not to mention dray's second round talent not being unlocked in a sub optimal culture / team.

I think it drives the point home that Curry's cast wasn't otherworldly...

In addition to the middling quality of Barnes, the general thought has been for years that Dray wouldn't be shit on another team.. And Klay doesn't dribble...

So it wasn't an uber-talented cast, but they had the most optimal teamwork since da Bulls, and maybe the most potent offensive weapon too .. if it wasn't for Silver, 16' Curry would've been the first perimeter player to win scoring title and title, aside from MJ
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:27 PM   #5
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I think it drives the point home that Curry's cast wasn't otherworldly...

In addition to the middling quality of Barnes, the general thought has been for years that Dray wouldn't be shit on another team.. And Klay doesn't dribble...

So it wasn't an uber-talented cast, but they had the most optimal teamwork since da Bulls, and maybe the most potent offensive weapon too .. if it wasn't for Silver, 16' Curry would've been the first person player to win scoring title and title, aside from MJ
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Barnes was the worst player in their starting lineup. He went on to be the franchise player for the Mavericks. Jesus. $tacked
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I think it drives the point home that Curry's cast wasn't otherworldly...

In addition to the middling quality of Barnes, the general thought has been for years that Dray wouldn't be shit on another team.. And Klay doesn't dribble...

So it wasn't an uber-talented cast, but they had the most optimal teamwork since da Bulls, and maybe the most potent offensive weapon too .. if it wasn't for Silver, 16' Curry would've been the first perimeter player to win scoring title and title, aside from MJ
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with respect to this thread were in a dilemma against the meta theory.

you need at least some on ball scoring.

no team has ever won without it.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:29 PM   #7
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if it wasn't for Silver, 16' Curry would've been the first perimeter player to win scoring title and title, aside from MJ
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and yes... he was robbed. it was over in 5 and dray wouldve had FMVP.

Lebron was so insecure about being shown up by a small lightskinned chef that he designated his teams to let anybody else beat them.

even if it meant self destruction.

an 8 ppg throwaway iggy won a fmvp on chef's watch.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:35 PM   #8
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with respect to this thread were in a dilemma against the meta theory.

you need at least some on ball scoring.

no team has ever won without it.
Yes, and Curry provides a lot of it, and on-ball play-creating..

He's still a PG with a PG time of possession (ball-dominance), but his ball-dominance is among the lowest for PG's because he mixes in a good portion of off-ball play....

That's why replacing Curry with Lebron increases the ball-dominance at 2 positions - the new PG will invariably be more ball-dominant than Curry, and Lebron is more ball-dominant than the previous SF... So with 2 positions seeing more ball-dominance, Draymond and others becomes a spot-up shooters.. Draymond's game in particular would die
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:43 PM   #9
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and yes... he was robbed. it was over in 5 and dray wouldve had FMVP.

Lebron was so insecure about being shown up by a small lightskinned chef that he designated his teams to let anybody else beat them.

even if it meant self destruction.

an 8 ppg throwaway iggy won a fmvp on chef's watch.
I find it fitting/predictable and not coincidental that a player who plays as optimally as Curry is the first perimeter player since MJ to fit scoring champion production into championship teamwork (scoring title and title)... If not for Silver of course
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Well Klay might be the 2nd greatest shooter ever and Draymond's a DPOY level defender. And then there's Iguodala who were All-D level coming off the bench.

It's really an excellent cast. Perhaps they wouldn't be as good with Lebron or MJ but that's really a fit issue. Not a "Curry unlock them" issue.
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why would you even include barnes?

as for the question, klay n dray are wizards esque on their own.

No on ball all star scorers or playmakers... has a team ever succeeded with that?

not to mention dray's second round talent not being unlocked in a sub optimal culture / team.


Wizards??????

Slow your roll there bud
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Well Klay might be the 2nd greatest shooter ever and Draymond's a DPOY level defender. And then there's Iguodala who were All-D level coming off the bench.

It's really an excellent cast. Perhaps they wouldn't be as good with Lebron or MJ but that's really a fit issue. Not a "Curry unlock them" issue.
MJ and Lebron play nothing alike... ...

Go watch your next Shannon Sharpe hottake but keep that ignorance out of here thanks

And the "fit" issue that you speak of is only an issue for less versatile scorers like Lebron, where only 1 player type excels alongside him (shooters)
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:39 PM   #14
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That 2016 team without Curry would be Jordans toughest finals opponent by far
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I think it drives the point home that Curry's cast wasn't otherworldly...

In addition to the middling quality of Barnes, the general thought has been for years that Dray wouldn't be shit on another team.. And Klay doesn't dribble...

So it wasn't an uber-talented cast, but they had the most optimal teamwork since da Bulls, and maybe the most potent offensive weapon too .. if it wasn't for Silver, 16' Curry would've been the first perimeter player to win scoring title and title, aside from MJ
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You could replace curry with any really good scorer that's not ball dominant and the warriors would of been the same. replace curry with a good scorer that can defend and they're probably better. Remember the Warriors were cruising through the playoffs in 16 without curry. There offence wasn't as good without curry but there defence was much better without him. The warriors actually struggled more when Klay was out vs when curry was out.
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