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Old 03-03-2012, 10:25 AM   #31
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Yeah--that 15 point fourth quarter comeback involving the Blazers is conveniently ignored by Pippen's detractors. Regarding 2000, he was 34, his 98' finals injury made him a vastly inferior player and he injured his hand in Game 5, which caused his shot to be off the rest of the series. (before that he torched the Lakers early in Game 5 to set the tone to keep Portland alive) The idea that it was prime Pippen on the 2000 Blazers is absurd.

Regarding leadership, everyone involved with the Bulls--especially his teammates (Bill Wennington said he would draft Pippen over anyone in history because of how great a teammate he was, Kerr picked him second in TNT's all-time draft partly due to this as well)--note how much of a leader he was. Whenever they needed inspiration or support it was Pippen who Bulls players turned to. To equate scoring with leadership is ridiculous. It is funny how the leading scorer is almost always presumed to be the team leader, as if there is a correlation between leadership skills and the ability to put a ball through a basket.

The Jordan argument is laughable. Pippen was #1 in all-NBA and #1 in all-defensive and #3 in MVP voting in his only full prime season without MJ and the Bulls finished only 2 games out of the top seed in the East despite having a CBA (D-League) scrub at SG. Had he not been hurt during the first 10 games the Bulls likely would have won the #1 seed and Pippen would have been #1 or #2 in MVP voting.


that 1994 team had 11-12 solid role players who had a hand in 2 separate 3-peat championship teams.

How fitting to act like the Bulls were the same team from one year prior by just stating "they added a CBA scrub", even though Myers was an excellent defender....with additions of Kukoc (4 game winners that year), Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, and Luc Longley, all part of the second 3-peat team.

You overrate Pippen as hell...he was a great 2-man, probably the best 2 man, but a #1 man he is not.

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Yeah....cuz he was well on his way to that after 1994 when they were 34-31, or when he went to Rockets and stacked Blazer team that failed.
The rocket were old. By the time he went to the blazers, he was almost 35. Come on.

We both are jordan fans Wink. I've seen you give jordan a pass for not winning pre 90s due to lack of talent. Why hold pippen to a different standard?
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The rocket were old. By the time he went to the blazers, he was almost 35. Come on.

We both are jordan fans Wink. I've seen you give jordan a pass for not winning pre 90s due to lack of talent. Why hold pippen to a different standard?


Pippen never played with a lack of talent....
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:33 AM   #34
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Pippen never played with a lack of talent....
Lol when as a perimeter player you have to lead your team in every. Statistical catgory to stay afloat and run the offense, and take on the toughest defensive assignments. That's a clear indication your team overall lacks talent.
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that 1994 team had 11-12 solid role players who had a hand in 2 separate 3-peat championship teams.

How fitting to act like the Bulls were the same team from one year prior by just stating "they added a CBA scrub", even though Myers was an excellent defender....with additions of Kukoc (4 game winners that year), Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, and Luc Longley, all part of the second 3-peat team.

You overrate Pippen as hell...he was a great 2-man, probably the best 2 man, but a #1 man he is not.
Then its clear jordan isn't nearly as great as you feel. How else can you take the stance that the bulls should've still won without jordan.
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Lol when as a perimeter player you have to lead your team in every. Statistical catgory to stay afloat and run the offense, and take on the toughest defensive assignments. That's a clear indication your team overall lacks talent.


Actually, Pippen statistically was significantly not much better than he was in 1992 or 1993. That's an indication that he has teammates filling in the holes as well...Pippen wasn't filling those holes by himself.....like i already stated....count the rings on all the role player's fingers that were on the 1994 team and get back to me about "lack of talent."

A 3-peat championship team with the additions they made doesn't just disappear without Jordan or become "lack of talent." Don't forget about Pippen sitting down in a crucial playoff game, that's inexcusable.
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Then its clear jordan isn't nearly as great as you feel. How else can you take the stance that the bulls should've still won without jordan.



That doesn't even merit a response.....
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That doesn't even merit a response.....
Lol but you just stated that you feel they should've won in 94. That the only difference between the 93 bulls and 94 bulls was jordan. And then make it seem as if the 94 bulls may even be better than 93 cuz 94 had kukoc. What am I missing? It saying the bulls won in spite of jordan being there. Not cuz of jordan.
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Then its clear jordan isn't nearly as great as you feel. How else can you take the stance that the bulls should've still won without jordan.


nd now for the next installment of the "silly argument that we're having because Scottie Pippen said something." If you missed it or tried to make yourself forget, Pippen said that LeBron James may be a better overall basketball player than Michael Jordan. As a result, there was quite a bit of harumphing and yelling.

LeBron accepted the compliment from Pippen but ultimately disagreed. Well, add in former Chicago teammate Horace Grant as someone that doesn't agree with Pippen. Via Sports Radio Interviews:

ďWOW! Pip is my man and you know we will always be close, but I totally disagree. LeBron is gonna be one of the top players to ever play the game but Michael Jeffrey Jordan, who we bump heads at times is I think in my era the best basketball player to ever play the game.Ē

Grant was then asked if maybe Pippen was upset with Jordan over something, if there was some unknown grudge that caused the comment.

ď(Laughing) I hope not, I donít think so, but you know to say that somebody, I mean listen, Iím mean Iím kinda at a loss of words cause Michael Jordan I mean when you win numerous MVPs and youíve taken the team to six championships and probably could have been eight if he didnít retire those two years. You know MVPís and the playoffs and the championships I mean man he made us better, he made believe me, he, myself, Scottie, BJ, even Bill Cartwright who I still love, he made us better players.

"He gave us that confidence, but first we had to earn his trust and once we earned his trust man you know you saw championship after championship and as far as talent wise, thatís no man. Who do you want to take that last shot when three seconds are left in the game? Who do you want the ball in their hands the last 3 seconds? He proved that he can score the last few seconds of a ball game or if he gets double teamed that Steve Kerr or John Paxson are right there so you know I love Scottie, but I totally disagree.




Scottie Pippen on Michael Jordan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4sj1LmYgh8

Starting at 1:30 to 2:45
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Lol but you just stated that you feel they should've won in 94. That the only difference between the 93 bulls and 94 bulls was jordan. And then make it seem as if the 94 bulls may even be better than 93 cuz 94 had kukoc. What am I missing? It saying the bulls won in spite of jordan being there. Not cuz of jordan.


Pull the quote where i said they should have won in 1994, what are you laughing about???
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Get a room homos.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:07 AM   #42
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Actually, Pippen statistically was significantly not much better than he was in 1992 or 1993. That's an indication that he has teammates filling in the holes as well...Pippen wasn't filling those holes by himself.....like i already stated....count the rings on all the role player's fingers that were on the 1994 team and get back to me about "lack of talent."

A 3-peat championship team with the additions they made doesn't just disappear without Jordan or become "lack of talent." Don't forget about Pippen sitting down in a crucial playoff game, that's inexcusable.
Lol I was referencing 95.

First of all, we all acknowledge pippen sittting out was a terrible move. But don't forget he wanted the shot. That decision he made seems used to paint a picture that jackson drew the play for him and he was so scared, he just couldn't bring himself to re-enter the game.

Saying that, let's address the differences between the 94 team and 93. Jordan wasn't there obviously in 94. Scott williams was hurt most of the season, same with cartwright. And they had lost trent tucker. Paxson also was used sparringly in 94. That's 5 players that played a huge role on that 93 bulls team. Literrally half of the bulls core. Do you agree?
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nd now for the next installment of the "silly argument that we're having because Scottie Pippen said something." If you missed it or tried to make yourself forget, Pippen said that LeBron James may be a better overall basketball player than Michael Jordan. As a result, there was quite a bit of harumphing and yelling.

LeBron accepted the compliment from Pippen but ultimately disagreed. Well, add in former Chicago teammate Horace Grant as someone that doesn't agree with Pippen. Via Sports Radio Interviews:

ďWOW! Pip is my man and you know we will always be close, but I totally disagree. LeBron is gonna be one of the top players to ever play the game but Michael Jeffrey Jordan, who we bump heads at times is I think in my era the best basketball player to ever play the game.Ē

Grant was then asked if maybe Pippen was upset with Jordan over something, if there was some unknown grudge that caused the comment.

ď(Laughing) I hope not, I donít think so, but you know to say that somebody, I mean listen, Iím mean Iím kinda at a loss of words cause Michael Jordan I mean when you win numerous MVPs and youíve taken the team to six championships and probably could have been eight if he didnít retire those two years. You know MVPís and the playoffs and the championships I mean man he made us better, he made believe me, he, myself, Scottie, BJ, even Bill Cartwright who I still love, he made us better players.

"He gave us that confidence, but first we had to earn his trust and once we earned his trust man you know you saw championship after championship and as far as talent wise, thatís no man. Who do you want to take that last shot when three seconds are left in the game? Who do you want the ball in their hands the last 3 seconds? He proved that he can score the last few seconds of a ball game or if he gets double teamed that Steve Kerr or John Paxson are right there so you know I love Scottie, but I totally disagree.




Scottie Pippen on Michael Jordan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4sj1LmYgh8

Starting at 1:30 to 2:45
what does this post have to do with anything? I agree that was an idiotic thing for pippen to say. Doesn't mean anything as far as pippen on the court
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Pull the quote where i said they should have won in 1994, what are you laughing about???
You said pippen was always on stacked teams. Arent you the one saying pippen is overrated cuz he didn't lead a stacked bulls team is to a championship in 94?
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Lol I was referencing 95.

First of all, we all acknowledge pippen sittting out was a terrible move. But don't forget he wanted the shot. That decision he made seems used to paint a picture that jackson drew the play for him and he was so scared, he just couldn't bring himself to re-enter the game.

Saying that, let's address the differences between the 94 team and 93. Jordan wasn't there obviously in 94. Scott williams was hurt most of the season, same with cartwright. And they had lost trent tucker. Paxson also was used sparringly in 94. That's 5 players that played a huge role on that 93 bulls team. Literrally half of the bulls core. Do you agree?

Sure i can agree with that.
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