top 5 two way players in nba history ( aka the real top 5 players in nba history )

[clipps]

Besides the obvious, gotta shout out CP3. To me, he's right up there with any defender for a PG sans perhaps Payton because he was 6'4". But watching that dude as a Clipper, he was unreal defensively. And offensively, was a maestro too. Could get to any spot on the court with his dribble and had a devastating midrange game. CP3 was a damn beast on both ends.

I bet you know his ***** size too you weirdo.

[nayte]

What does any of the above have to do with being a better 2 way player?
You believe that playing the passing lanes makes you a great defender?

I don't even care about the Jordan v LeBron shit but that stats he pulls are stupid. No thought to context at all. Like most of his. It's weird

[plowking]

Kawhi, Lebron and CP3 belong on the list.

Kobe really doesn't. There has always been a media bias about players that spend their time in LA for the duration of their careers. Same way they made it out as if Magic was a better player than Bird. Not even close.

[Mr Feeny]

I don't even care about the Jordan v LeBron shit but that stats he pulls are stupid. No thought to context at all. Like most of his. It's weird

Total career playoff steals You cant make this stuff up. These are the arguments being put forth by these kids.

[72-10]

I've decided to update my list (tiered and ranked)

tier 1
1. MJ
2. Hakeem
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Kobe
6. Timmy D
7. Jerry West
8. D-Rob
9. KG

tier 2
10. CP3
11. Gary Payton
12. Ewing
13. Wade
14. Karl Malone
15. Julius Erving
16. Bird
17. LeBron
18. Curry
19. Durant
20. Magic
21. Pip
22. Kawhi
23. Barkley

[TheCorporation]

Allow me to provide you with some facts, then. You must be new to the NBA, welcome. Stick around and learn some things

Most post season

steals: LeBron
blocks: LeBron
DRtg: LeBron
chip runs under 101 DRtg:
LeBron 2 for 3
Jordan 0 for 6

SPG% LeBron
BPG% LeBron

I mean...Just not close

Shook?

[SouBeachTalents]

I've decided to update my list (tiered and ranked)

tier 1
1. MJ
2. Hakeem
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Kobe
6. Timmy D
7. Jerry West
8. D-Rob
9. KG

tier 2
10. CP3
11. Gary Payton
12. Ewing
13. Wade
14. Karl Malone
15. Julius Erving
16. Bird
17. LeBron
18. Curry
19. Durant
20. Magic
21. Pip
22. Kawhi
23. Barkley

Curry & Magic top 20 two way players

Lots of others you missed that could be argued

Shaq
AD
PG
Stockton
Frazier
McHale
Klay

[Vino24]

Poor Kenny. Bet he is watching this thread right now

[LAmbruh]

Poor Kenny. Bet he is watching this thread right now

+1

[egokiller]

Poor Kenny. Bet he is watching this thread right now

He certainly has you thinking about him and what he

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=egokiller]He certainly has you thinking about him and what he

[stalkerforlife]

Michael Jordan ( 10 time all nba 1st team, 9 time all defensive 1st team, 1 time defensive player of the year )

Kareem Abdul Jabbar ( 10 time all nba 1st team, 5 time all defensive 1st team )

Kobe Bryant ( 11 time all nba 1st team, 9 time all defensive 1st team )

Tim Duncan ( 10 time all nba 1st team, 8 time all defensive 1st team )

Hakeem Olajuwon ( 6 time all nba 1st team, 5 time all defensive 1st team, 2 time defensive player of the year )



should this be the real top 5?


defense IS a thing right?

why do we give guys like magic/lebron a pass for not playing any defense whatsoever and russell a pass for not dominating offensively


...

Good list.

[72-10]

Curry & Magic top 20 two way players

Lots of others you missed that could be argued

Shaq
AD
PG
Stockton
Frazier
McHale
Klay

You think Magic's D was that lax? How do completely negate the steals? I have no doubts Ewing is top 12, might even be 10th. McHale's a no doubter.

[SouBeachTalents]

You think Magic's D was that lax? How do completely negate the steals? I have no doubts Ewing is top 12, might even be 10th. McHale's a no doubter.

Steals are not always an indicator of being a good defender. Iverson's top 10 in steals per game all time

[RealSkipBayless]

[QUOTE=egokiller]He certainly has you thinking about him and what he