If MJ had retired in 1989 instead of 1994

[3ball]

Without MJ in 1989, the Bulls miss the playoffs instead of beating Cleveland with "the shot" and cutting their teeth on the champion Bad Boys in ECF.

Accordingly, going into the 1990 season, the Bulls would've been a lottery team instead of ECF veterans and 1 year away from ringing.. That's the difference MJ made at that specific time of the team's development - lottery vs. ECF and 1 year away.

Of course, if MJ had left in 1989, he'd be a team-hopping beta just like Lebron... But hey, everyone would be able to say "look how bad the team is without him"... I guess Lebron's smart - he knows it's all about timing if you want a record of teams collapsing without you..

[The_Pharcyde]

probably true, but the agenda you are pushing is obvious enough that people arent gonna listen to you no matter how many facts you have...

jordan is the goat man, no need to overly push that statement into every other great players career

just gives the impression that mj stans are insecure

[jlip]

Why is OP not banned already?

[dubeta]

Those Bulls teams won the same amount of games with or without MJ

1993- 57 wins

MJ leaves

1994- 55 wins




Jordan was a good piece for the Bulls to have, but ultimately insignificant

[SouBeachTalents]

I wonder how the Cavs would have done if LeBron had left in '05 instead of 2010

[3ball]

[Dragonyeuw]

You talked about this in the Scottie/Lebron thread, out of interest why are you referring to 1989?

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron never took a lottery team to the ECF, and then got over the hump WITH THAT SAME TEAM to win a championship.

Building a team into a champion and getting them over that hump requires an entirely different dimension of perseverance and determination that Lebron has proven he doesn't have..

The empirical evidence speaks for itself - the statement in the first paragraph above is 100%, pure fact.

Seems secure.....
It requires the type perseverance and determination you exhibit in each and every irrelevant post you make. Why not take every top 10 guy off their team at a random, arbitrary moment and see what they accomplish. I'm sure it would all be similar, gag on my friend.

[Hey Yo]

Without MJ in 1989, the Bulls miss the playoffs instead of beating Cleveland with "the shot" and cutting their teeth on the champion Bad Boys in ECF.

Accordingly, going into the 1990 season, the Bulls would've been a lottery team instead of ECF veterans and 1 year away from ringing.. That's the difference MJ made at that specific time of the team's development - lottery vs. ECF and 1 year away.

Of course, if MJ had left in 1989, he'd be a team-hopping beta just like Lebron... But hey, everyone would be able to say "look how bad the team is without him"... I guess Lebron's smart - he knows it's all about timing if you want a record of teams collapsing without you..

How could he have done that considering he signed an 8yr deal (like a dumbass) the season prior?

[sdot_thadon]

How could he have done that considering he signed an 8yr deal (like a dumbass) the season prior?

See: agenda

[Funktion]

Detroit would have been goat

[Wade's Rings]

Those Bulls teams won the same amount of games with or without MJ

1993- 57 wins

MJ leaves

1994- 55 wins




Jordan was a good piece for the Bulls to have, but ultimately insignificant

1993- Championship

MJ leaves

1994- ECSF

[3ball]

Meanwhile, the real dynasty is underway in Golden State.

Dynasties are always smart teams.. Otoh, Lebron's less adjustable style prevents his teams from using optimal, cutting edge strategy.. Instead, it's the opposite - Lebron's opponents in the Finals are the ones employing the superior, cutting-edge strategy (i.e. Spurs, Warriors) - they're the teams that are considered the "smart" teams in the league, not Lebron's.

Otoh, MJ's teams were like the Warriors and Spurs because they were percieved to be one of the smartest teams that employed the league's cutting edge strategy.. MJ's GOAT level of offensive sophistication (shown in GIF above) provided the necessary adjustability and capacity to be the centerpiece of cutting edge strategy (the triangle).

Unfortunately, Lebron-ball's rigid, straightforward approach means it can never be part of an all-time great team - historically, all-time great teams (i.e. previous era Celtics, Bulls, Spurs) have invariably used cutting edge strategy over an extended period of time, which gives the team a sustainable advantage on the rest of the league.. Accordingly, these teams were perceived as "smart", which Lebron's teams are never perceived as, and never will be.
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[Hey Yo]

1993- Championship

MJ leaves

1994- ECSF

1995- MJ comes back, with 17 games left in the season to try to win a cheap ring, gets beat in the ECSF

[3ball]

1995 - MJ comes back, with 17 games left in the season to try to win a cheap ring, gets beat in the ECSF

You made my point in bold..

Just think, 1.5 years off playing baseball, and WOW, the Bulls had lost a little chemistry???... Seems impossible that they would lose chemistry... Who would've ever thought...