Lebron played on 2 back to back 60+ win teams

[PleezeBelieve]

So 'having' to play better than an overrated Kobe Bryant is the standard with how LeBron's teammates are judged?

Great...LeBron played at the same level as an overrated checker. Whoopdi-doo.

Snow let's blame every Cav on the roster except LeBron, right?

F*ck outta here. It's not even about losing at this point, but more how he quit on his teammates and organization. There's no room for that in Greatness.

Oh that's right, Kobe has quit too, huh?

Which is my point.

[chazzy]

When LeBron has a new coach next year and still fails to reach the Finals, hopefully you blind homers/Kobe haters will deep down realize that LEBRON is the problem, not the coaching.

Players can't play their game alongside LeBron. That was blatantly obvious with the Jamison acquistion. You all blame it on the coach for not utilizing him right, but really the problem starts and ends with LeBron. Bron reminds me of AI, he needs a perfect team of defensive role players that buy into the 'defense concept' alongside him so he can play HIS game, which is to dominate the ball offensively.

You guys think that if he teams up with a 'legit 2nd option' like Bosh, Joe Johnson, Derrick Rose, etc that they'll be a lock for a championship? You're in for a rude awakening if that's the case.

We have yet to see him play for a coach who can run a legitimate offense, so we really don't know if Lebron iso is what he WANTS to do or what Brown made the team run. I personally think Wade would be better on a stacked team than Lebron would, but it's not like Lebron is incapable of being effective without the ball in his hands all the time.

[Doranku]

well....actually yes. did you watch the series. did you watch mo/jamison get torched every game. did you watch lebron make pierce a non factor on both ends?

lebron did not play perfect....but he had a good overall series and the main reason he did struggle at times was because he had no help. its hilarious how people want to credit kobe for his rebounding and defense and then not look at what lebron did to pierce and how he rebounded the ball far better than kobe.

people think there is kobe hate. lol......lebron is the one that actually gets "hated" on....its just pathetic. you want him to play a perfect series with no help but kobe can play a poor series with the most help in the league and get praised left and right on here.

the fact that you clearly expect lebron to play so much better than kobe should tell you something about lebron's greatness.

The dude GAVE UP in game 5, and you blame his teammates for that? Ridiculous.

Bron averaged a whopping 1 more rebound a game against Boston than Kobe did, that's FAR BETTER? Not to mention 8 rebounds for a 31 year old 6'6 SG playing alongside two 7 footers is much more impressive than 9 rebounds for a prime 6'8 athletic freak.

The thing is, LeBron needs to play a perfect series to win because THAT'S WHAT HIS STYLE OF PLAY DICTATES. 80% of the Cavs plays honestly start and end with LeBron. You think he'd be out there setting screens late in the 4th for Derek Fisher? You're out of your mind.

LeBron is a more athletic AI who can pass. When he retires without a ring, you guys can keep playing his supporting casts, but the fact will remain: He will be ringless.

[Doranku]

We have yet to see him play for a coach who can run a legitimate offense, so we really don't know if Lebron iso is what he WANTS to do or what Brown made the team run. I personally think Wade would be better on a stacked team than Lebron would, but it's not like Lebron is incapable of being effective without the ball in his hands all the time.

Wade is the best player in the league, so yes, he would be better on a stacked team. He's much better at deferring, has a much better midrange game than LeBron, and more importantly is a PROVEN winner who put up one of the greatest finals performances in NBA history.

Wade on a stacked team scares me much more than LeBron on a stacked team.

[PowerGlove]

Someone is showing their true colors in this thread.

He just called Lebron a more athletic AI. SMH.

[All Net]

who called them favorites? morons in the media and the retarded talking heads on espn?

they know nothing. check my posts....i called celtics in 6 before the series and was saying for a month how over-rated the cavs are. please think for yourself....mo williams is not a good overall player. he is a decent offensive player and a terrible defender. jamison is a decent overall player....but he's older now and has always come up small in big moments and has always been a terrible defender. shaq should not be starting on a good team. west is literally crazy. parker is solid. andy is solid. mike brown is one of the worst coaches in the league.

sorry. anyone that knows the game or its history would never have picked the cavs to win.......and if they did it would have been solely because they thought that lebron was so good he could win it on his own.

Yes I know you called the Cavs out for not being good enough but many called them favourites in the media and on here. MANY people stated that Cavs would win the title and beat L.A.

[Orlando Magic]

The dude GAVE UP in game 5, and you blame his teammates for that? Ridiculous.

See Kobe vs Suns...

[chopchop20]

I don't think there's any excuse for losing to Orlando last year.

[Doranku]

So 'having' to play better than an overrated Kobe Bryant is the standard with how LeBron's teammates are judged?

Great...LeBron played at the same level as an overrated checker. Whoopdi-doo.

Snow let's blame every Cav on the roster except LeBron, right?

F*ck outta here. It's not even about losing at this point, but more how he quit on his teammates and organization. There's no room for that in Greatness.

Oh that's right, Kobe has quit too, huh?

Which is my point.

Kobe quit in the second half of a game that was a lost cause with a team that had no realistic aspirations of winning a title.

LeBron quit at home with a team who, at the time, was heavily favored to AT LEAST come out of the East.

There's a bit of a difference. Not to mention Kobe more than redeemed himself by winning back to back titles/finals MVPs.

LeBron quit on his entire organization. Kobe quit to send his organization a message. Both are despicable, but in the context of things, the former is much worse.

[Doranku]

Someone is showing their true colors in this thread.

He just called Lebron a more athletic AI. SMH.

It's true, though. AI led a team with a worst supporting cast to the Finals and actually WON a game against a team who was previously unbeaten in the Playoffs. LeBron played awful in all 4 games when he was in the Finals against an inferior team to what AI faced. Maybe that was actually an insult to AI...

[coin24]

Really? hasn't this topic been thrashed to death already??

They choked hard in the playoffs. Nobody stepped up. Browns rotations were disgraceful. Lebron played like crap. End of story.

Lebron is never going to win anything while he believes he is the point guard. He dribbles around like an idiot and then tries to "get teammates involved" ie stat pad by throwing them the ball with 2 or 3 left on the shot clock...
Id love to see him in a system with a PG and a coach who wont kiss his ass all day long

[PleezeBelieve]

Kobe quit in the second half of a game that was a lost cause with a team that had no realistic aspirations of winning a title.

LeBron quit at home with a team who, at the time, was heavily favored to AT LEAST come out of the East.

There's a bit of a difference. Not to mention Kobe more than redeemed himself by winning back to back titles/finals MVPs.

LeBron quit on his entire organization. Kobe quit to send his organization a message. Both are despicable, but in the context of things, the former is much worse.

Quitter here, quitter there -- who cares surrounding the context?

My point is Kobe on the biggest stages has been consistently ungreat, so LeBron 'having' to play better than him isn't any sort of a quantifiable measure against his teammates. LeBron is the better player. Kobe may have the next best player between the two teams, but that's not a big enough excuse.

[Kingwillball]

Quitter here, quitter there -- who cares surrounding the context?

My point is Kobe on the biggest stages has been consistently ungreat, so LeBron 'having' to play better than him isn't any sort of a quantifiable measure against his teammates. LeBron is the better player. Kobe may have the next best player between the two teams, but that's not a big enough excuse.

No Gasol,Odom,Bynum are all better than Shaq,Jamison,Andy and Hickson and Fisher is clutcher than Mo while Artest is also better than anyone else on Cavs as a Whole.

Between 2 Teams here is the Rankings of Players

Lebron
Kobe
Gasol
Odum
Bynum
Shaq
Artest
Jamison
Andy
Fisher
Mo
Parker

So as U can see Lakers have 4 of the top 5 players between 2 teams.

[BlueandGold]

Quitter here, quitter there -- who cares surrounding the context?

My point is Kobe on the biggest stages has been consistently ungreat, so LeBron 'having' to play better than him isn't any sort of a quantifiable measure against his teammates. LeBron is the better player. Kobe may have the next best player between the two teams, but that's not a big enough excuse.

2009 Game 1 Finals - 40 points, 8 boards, 8 assits, 16/32 FG%, 8/8 FT%, 2 steals, 2 blocks

2000 game 2 Finals 31 points, 8 boards, 6 assists, 11/23FG%

2001 game 5 finals 25 points, 12 rebounds, 7/18 FG%

2001 game 4 finals 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists

2002 game 4 finals 25 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 7/16 FG%

2010 game 7 finals 26 points, 15 rebounds, MVP


Lebron James - 0 Finals wins

[All Net]

No Gasol,Odom,Bynum are all better than Shaq,Jamison,Andy and Hickson and Fisher is clutcher than Mo while Artest is also better than anyone else on Cavs as a Whole.

Between 2 Teams here is the Rankings of Players

Lebron
Kobe
Gasol
Odum
Bynum
Shaq
Artest
Jamison
Andy
Fisher
Mo
Parker

So as U can see Lakers have 4 of the top 5 players between 2 teams.

Thats not what you were singing just over a month ago.