Leonard making the finals would be better than ANYTHING Bran ever did in the east...

[SpaceJam2]

But you know there's about 20 players all time that would do that in Bran's place.

Even guys like KL, KD, Giannis, Curry, and other current players would have those numbers or better.

Well like I said the bar has been set so lets sit back and see who comes close

LeBar has been set

[NBASTATMAN]

But you know there's about 20 players all time that would do that in Bran's place.

Even guys like KL, KD, Giannis, Curry, and other current players would have those numbers or better.

As long as KOBE is UNIVERSALLY KNOWN AS 12B.. Im HAVING A GREAT TIME. .. Kawhi is an amazing player.. Hope he can win title and MVP.. He would have 2FINALS mvps' LIKE 12B

[aj1987]

Only Kareem and Love averaged 26/13/4

What did Love average in the PO's that season? Must've at least made the 2nd round, I'm assuming.

and absolutely comparable to AD

Yeah, just no. AD is a better player than Love ever was.

Love didn't play D but his offense made him a superstar

AD is arguably an equal/better offensive player, while being light years ahead defensively, you autistic turd. How are they equal players?

Regardless, the point remains - lebron had a superstar teammate in a conference that didn't require one to make the Finals

Love wasn't a superstar with the Cav's. Wade wasn't a superstar in '13 and '14 (arguably '12 as well) and Bosh was never a superstar.

AI/Kidd/Dwight made it without a superstar from 01-09', and now Kawhi in 19'

LeBron made it as a 21 year old kid in 2007 with Boobie Gibson as his 2nd best player.

The period in the middle (11-18') is when lebron teamed up with superstars to gain an unfair advantage and ensure Finals runs..

And 1-9 needed Pippen to save his ass. Dude would've been a career loser, who never made it out of the first round without Pippen

Ultimately, lebron only took a non-star cast to the Finals once (07') when everyone else was doing it (Dwight, Kidd, AI).. So his exposure in the West this year should've been expected

LeBron won a title with ZERO All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Def players in 2016. ZERO. 1-9 never did that.

As for missing the PO's, if LeBron had the luxury of making the PO's with 30 wins like 1-9 did, he would've made the PO's this season.

[And1AllDay]

What did Love average in the PO's that season? Must've at least made the 2nd round, I'm assuming.



Yeah, just no. AD is a better player than Love ever was.


AD is arguably an equal/better offensive player, while being light years ahead defensively, you autistic turd. How are they equal players?


Love wasn't a superstar with the Cav's. Wade wasn't a superstar in '13 and '14 (arguably '12 as well) and Bosh was never a superstar.


LeBron made it as a 21 year old kid in 2007 with Boobie Gibson as his 2nd best player.


And 1-9 needed Pippen to save his ass. Dude would've been a career loser, who never made it out of the first round without Pippen


LeBron won a title with ZERO All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Def players in 2016. ZERO. 1-9 never did that.

As for missing the PO's, if LeBron had the luxury of making the PO's with 30 wins like 1-9 did, he would've made the PO's this season.

Im callin the cops AJ, 3ball just got murdered

[stalkerforlife]

What did Love average in the PO's that season? Must've at least made the 2nd round, I'm assuming.



Yeah, just no. AD is a better player than Love ever was.


AD is arguably an equal/better offensive player, while being light years ahead defensively, you autistic turd. How are they equal players?


Love wasn't a superstar with the Cav's. Wade wasn't a superstar in '13 and '14 (arguably '12 as well) and Bosh was never a superstar.


LeBron made it as a 21 year old kid in 2007 with Boobie Gibson as his 2nd best player.


And 1-9 needed Pippen to save his ass. Dude would've been a career loser, who never made it out of the first round without Pippen


LeBron won a title with ZERO All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Def players in 2016. ZERO. 1-9 never did that.

As for missing the PO's, if LeBron had the luxury of making the PO's with 30 wins like 1-9 did, he would've made the PO's this season.

Pathological lying shouldn't come in essay form.

Simmer down, Pramesh.

You seem flustered.

[aj1987]

Pathological lying shouldn't come in essay form.

Simmer down, Pramesh.

You seem flustered.

As I asked in the other thread, why does every Brickbe turd think that a couple of sentences is an essay? Are you guys honestly that retarded?

[3ball]

What did Love average in the PO's that season? Must've at least made the 2nd round, I'm assuming.



Yeah, just no. AD is a better player than Love ever was.


AD is arguably an equal/better offensive player, while being light years ahead defensively, you autistic turd. How are they equal players?


Love wasn't a superstar with the Cav's. Wade wasn't a superstar in '13 and '14 (arguably '12 as well) and Bosh was never a superstar.


LeBron made it as a 21 year old kid in 2007 with Boobie Gibson as his 2nd best player.


And 1-9 needed Pippen to save his ass. Dude would've been a career loser, who never made it out of the first round without Pippen


LeBron won a title with ZERO All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Def players in 2016. ZERO. 1-9 never did that.

As for missing the PO's, if LeBron had the luxury of making the PO's with 30 wins like 1-9 did, he would've made the PO's this season.

Lebron killed Love's game - lebron should've 4-peated with Love, but instead went 1/4 because he reduced love from 26 PPG to 8 PPG

Ditto Wade and Bosh - lebron reduced them too - this is common knowledge

And Lebron's #2 option in 07' was 2-time all-star Zydrunas and All-NBA defender Hughes as #3 - AI, Dwight and Kidd made it with similar casts from 01-09', and now Kawhi in 19'... The period in the middle (11-18') is when lebron teamed up with superstars to gain an unfair advantage and ensure Finals runs..

And MJ needed pip, but that's just one perennial all-star - lebron always needed 2 to win..

Finally, lebron didn't make the playoffs with 30 wins like MJ.... that's true... but at 22-23 years old against the champs' #1 defense, lebron averaged 22 on 35% and MJ 44 on 50%... MJ was just A LOT better than lebron... 6/15 > 3/17.. ... It's funny every time

[sportjames23]

slurp slurp slurp

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron killed Love's game - lebron should've 4-peated with Love, but instead went 1/4 because he reduced love from 26 PPG to 8 PPG

Ditto Wade and Bosh - lebron reduced them too - this is common knowledge

And Lebron's #2 option in 07' was 2-time all-star Zydrunas and All-NBA defender Hughes as #3 - AI, Dwight and Kidd made it with similar casts from 01-09', and now Kawhi in 19'... The period in the middle (11-18') is when lebron teamed up with superstars to gain an unfair advantage and ensure Finals runs..

And MJ needed pip, but that's just one perennial all-star - lebron always needed 2 to win..

Finally, lebron didn't make the playoffs with 30 wins like MJ.... that's true... but at 22-23 years old against the champs' #1 defense, lebron averaged 22 on 35% and MJ 44 on 50%... MJ was just A LOT better than lebron... 6/15 > 3/17.. ... It's funny every time

Love just couldnt adjust to the physicality of EAST BBALL. Like BOOZER, DERON WILLIAMS, MELO, .. All had great succes in the west but scuked in the EAST............

REMIND ME WHAT LOVE DID THIS SEASON ?


MJ With LOVE doesnt win 6 titles.. THOSE bulls teams were so much better because they were stacked..

PETE MYERS won 55 games after mj retired..

[aj1987]

Lebron killed Love's game - lebron should've 4-peated with Love, but instead went 1/4 because he reduced love from 26 PPG to 8 PPG

Love was out in '15 with a dislocated shoulder.

The Cavs won in '16.

The '17 and '18 Warriors are GOAT level teams. Literally no other player in the history of the sport would win with those team, you autistic turd.

Even as retarded as you are, you should've figured out from the stat sheets that Love was injured in '15.

Ditto Wade and Bosh - lebron reduced them too - this is common knowledge

And Lebron's #2 option in 07' was 2-time all-star Zydrunas and All-NBA defender Hughes as #3 - AI, Dwight and Kidd made it with similar casts from 01-09', and now Kawhi in 19'... The period in the middle (11-18') is when lebron teamed up with superstars to gain an unfair advantage and ensure Finals runs..

The last time either of those got those accolades (All-Star and All-Def) was back in '07. As I said, LeBron's #2 was Boobie Gibson in '07. Ordan would've been his 1-9 self with that cast. That was just a flat out garbage team.

And MJ needed pip, but that's just one perennial all-star - lebron always needed 2 to win..

LeBron won a ring with ZERO All-Stars, All-NBA, and All-Def players. 1-9 never came close to doing that.

Finally, lebron didn't make the playoffs with 30 wins like MJ.... that's true... but at 22-23 years old against the champs' #1 defense, lebron averaged 22 on 35% and MJ 44 on 50%... MJ was just A LOT better than lebron... 6/15 > 3/17.. ... It's funny every time

Ignoring the fact that 1-9 made the PO's with 30 wins and the fact that LeBron was 2 years younger, come back when 1-9 makes the PO's while:

#1 option misses 27 games.

#2 option misses 30 games.

#3 misses 12 games.

The #2 draft pick PG misses 35 games.

The starting PG misses 36 games.

The main player of the bench misses 15 games.

Etc..

[Gougou]

I am a Toronto fan and Kawhi fan.

I love Kawhi but Kawhi joined a very competitive Raptors team that is already making like 4+ straight NBA playoffs.

Meanwhile LBJ joined a Cleveland team never made playoff before LBJ joined the team.

The Raptors team doesn't have All-Stars in their prime like Love/Kyrie, but they have a deep roster and quality team management, meanwhile Cleveland doesn't have as much like the Raptors

So yeah it is all depend if this Kawhi run can beat the GSW during the finals, then we can compare it more.

[3ball]

Love was out in '15 with a dislocated shoulder.

The Cavs won in '16.

The '17 and '18 Warriors are GOAT level teams. Literally no other player in the history of the sport would win with those team, you autistic turd.

Even as retarded as you are, you should've figured out from the stat sheets that Love was injured in '15.

Ditto Wade and Bosh - lebron reduced them too - this is common knowledge


The last time either of those got those accolades (All-Star and All-Def) was back in '07. As I said, LeBron's #2 was Boobie Gibson in '07. Ordan would've been his 1-9 self with that cast. That was just a flat out garbage team.


LeBron won a ring with ZERO All-Stars, All-NBA, and All-Def players. 1-9 never came close to doing that.


Ignoring the fact that 1-9 made the PO's with 30 wins and the fact that LeBron was 2 years younger, come back when 1-9 makes the PO's while:

#1 option misses 27 games.

#2 option misses 30 games.

#3 misses 12 games.

The #2 draft pick PG misses 35 games.

The starting PG misses 36 games.

The main player of the bench misses 15 games.

Etc..

Nah, there's no way lebron is top 5 all-time if he only won 51 games and was a big underdog with kyrie and Love

It's just impossible for a top 5 player to be an underdog and win so few games with that much help

Miami was even worse - again, it's impossible for the so-called goat to team up with the next-best player in the league and then lose (11') and be the underdog (12')... Overall, he lost or was underdog 3/4 years in Miami with a "not 6, not 7" cast.. that's a disgrace and impossible for the goat (so he ain't goat)

Btw, MJ had the #1 seed without Pippen in 98' (injured for the first 35 games - bulls were 24-11 and 1 seed) - so all MJ needed to win was a system for the role players, not Pippen...

Finally, lebron always needed 2 perennial all-stars to win; mj only needed 1
.

[aj1987]

Nah, there's no way lebron is top 5 all-time if he only won 51 games and was a big underdog with kyrie and Love

Kyrie just lead the Celtics to 49 wins with Al Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, and Hayward and got knocked out of the 2nd round. Love never made the PO's in his career without LeBron. Meanwhile, 1-9's teams win 55 without him. I guess we should kick him out of the top 10 for playing on ridiculously stacked teams.

It's just impossible for a top 5 player to be an underdog and win so few games with that much help

Since you like stats, here are a couple of fun ones. LeBron missed 8 games in 17, when they won 51 games. The Cavs record in those game? 0-8. Love missed 22 games. Irving missed 10 games. JR Smith missed 41 games.

Miami was even worse - again, it's impossible for the so-called goat to team up with the next-best player in the league and then lose (11') and be the underdog (12')... Overall, he lost or was underdog 3/4 years in Miami with a "not 6, not 7" cast.. that's a disgrace and impossible for the goat (so he ain't goat)

2011 was a disaster. I'm not going to dispute that.

2012 - Wade was injured and getting his knees drained in the PO's. Bosh was injured and actually missed significant time during the PO's. If Wade and Bosh were healthy, the Heat would've swept through the PO's.

2013 and 2014 - Wade was a shell of himself in the PO's after he shredded his knees. Quit acting like he was '11 Wade, you autistic shit.

Btw, MJ had the #1 seed without Pippen in 98' (injured for the first 35 games - bulls were 24-11 and 1 seed) - so all MJ needed to win was a system for the role players, not Pippen...

Finally, lebron always needed 2 perennial all-stars to win; mj only needed 1
.

Didn't your stat sheets tell you that a perennial DPOY and one of the GOAT defenders/rebounders was on the Bulls squad? The dude who was getting FMVP talks in 1996.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/s...able-bull.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-72b8a1e8367f/

Lets not ignore this either:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...398-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...397-story.html

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...inals-MVP.html

[3ball]

Kyrie just lead the Celtics to 49 wins with Al Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, and Hayward and got knocked out of the 2nd round. Love never made the PO's in his career without LeBron. Meanwhile, 1-9's teams win 55 without him. I guess we should kick him out of the top 10 for playing on ridiculously stacked teams.

Since you like stats, here are a couple of fun ones. LeBron missed 8 games in 17, when they won 51 games. The Cavs record in those game? 0-8. Love missed 22 games. Irving missed 10 games. JR Smith missed 41 games.


2011 was a disaster. I'm not going to dispute that.

2012 - Wade was injured and getting his knees drained in the PO's. Bosh was injured and actually missed significant time during the PO's. If Wade and Bosh were healthy, the Heat would've swept through the PO's.

2013 and 2014 - Wade was a shell of himself in the PO's after he shredded his knees. Quit acting like he was '11 Wade, you autistic shit.




Didn't your stat sheets tell you that a perennial DPOY and one of the GOAT defenders/rebounders was on the Bulls squad? The dude who was getting FMVP talks in 1996.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/s...able-bull.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-72b8a1e8367f/

Lets not ignore this either:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...398-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...397-story.html

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...inals-MVP.html

Here's what you don't realize about Wade:

You complain about Wade because his standards were higher than Pippen's... Bulls fans were accustomed to pip faltering, so if he averaged 15 on 34%, no one said a word . It was kind of expected.. but with Wade - his fans are on a ledge somewhere

So even though you knock him for falling off, Wade was still getting 19-21 ppg in 13/14, which is pippen's standard... I wish I could complain about Pippen only averaging 16-20 ppg, but that was his standard... Wade's worst offense was pippen's standard..

You complain about Wade being banged up heading into the 14' Finals, but he averaged 20/5/5 on 55% in ECF, which would be among the best of Pippen's career.. Pippen averaged 16 on 40% in the 92', 97' and 98' ECF

Also, the Bulls win the 96' Finals without Rodman... But it would've been a blowout loss with Pippen's 15 on 34% leading the way with no MJ... MJ carried the Bulls' offense in that series
.

[aj1987]

Here's what you don't realize about Wade:

You complain about Wade because his standards were higher than Pippen's... Bulls fans were accustomed to pip faltering, so if he averaged 15 on 34%, no one said a word . It was kind of expected.. but with Wade - his fans are on a ledge somewhere

So even though you knock him for falling off, Wade was still getting 19-21 ppg in 13/14, which is pippen's standard... I wish I could complain about Pippen only averaging 16-20 ppg, but that was his standard... Wade's worst offense was pippen's standard..

You complain about Wade being banged up heading into the 14' Finals, but he averaged 20/5/5 on 55% in ECF, which would be among the best of Pippen's career.. Pippen averaged 16 on 40% in the 92', 97' and 98' ECF

Also, the Bulls win the 96' Finals without Rodman... But it would've been a blowout loss with Pippen's 15 on 34% leading the way... MJ carried the Bulls' offense in that series

2014 was arguably Wade's worst season defensively. He was better this year, defensively, than he was in 2014. Once again, you don't get that on a stat sheet.

Then, there's this:

Didn't your stat sheets tell you that a perennial DPOY and one of the GOAT defenders/rebounders was on the Bulls squad? The dude who was getting FMVP talks in 1996.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/s...able-bull.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-72b8a1e8367f/

Lets not ignore this either:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...398-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...397-story.html

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...inals-MVP.html