Stockton and Malone - The Original Trash Bro's

[tpols]

The difference is that the bulls were dominant with or without the 3-point line because they were playing basketball

The Warriors are only dominant with the 3-point line because they play 3-pt contest

Remove the 3-pt line and any team from a prior era would SWEEP them

Your argument would only hold water for hypotheticals where the Dubs faced squads who played without the 3pt line...

so all teams before 1979...

Wanna say Russell Celtics or Wilt Lakers or something would beat them, ok. But id still take curry and klays shooting deep over the midrange of those 60s guys who shot in the 30%'s lmao..

And anybody after 1979 played WITH the 3pt line, therefore it is an objective reality in any hypothetical between them ie ~ 80s celtics, 80s lakers, 90s bulls, 00s, lakers, etc would all be playing Golden State with a 3pt line.

You have to live with that and stop trolling.

[LAmbruh]

damn

[Callystarr]

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]Playoff Blunders

1986 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs
1987 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1988 - choked semi's vs Lakers (5 seed)
1989 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1990 - choked 1st rnd vs Suns (as favorites)
1991 - choked semi's vs Trailblazers (5 seed)
1992 - choked WCF vs Trailblazers
1993 - choked 1st rnd vs Sonics
1994 - choked WCF vs Rockets
1995 - choked 1st rnd vs Rockets (as favorites)
1996 - choked WCF vs Sonics
1997 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1998 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1999 - choked semi's vs Blazers
2000 - choked semi's vs Blazers (as favorites)
2001 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs (as favorites)
2002 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings
2003 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings (5 seed)



18 Playoffs together

9 First round exits

4 Semi Conf exits

3 Conf final exits

2 Finals exits



[I]The Original Trash Bros

[Callystarr]

stockton's playoff stats are lowkey just bad. Malone gets way too much of the blame for underachieving. Tbf, stockton did play better in 97 which was a Finals run.

They were not.

They took a dip in his 36-40 years old days, but whose stats don't get worse when you are playing your 16th through 20th year in the NBA as a starter?

[Callystarr]

Imagine MJ getting met at the perimeter by Tony Allen/Pierce/Posey only to be met at the rim by KG and Perk



Nope, this was his toughest line of defense

Jeff Hornacek didn't play Jordan in defense although he is one of the deadliest shooters in NBA history.

John Stockton led the NBA in steals, Karl Malone is one of the only big men outside of Hakeem Olajuwon on the all time steals list, Greg Ostertag was always top 10 in blocks with limited minutes, and Bryon Russell was routinely in top 15 in steals. Jazz were fundamentally a great defensive team back then...

[Callystarr]

Would have been great in any era on any team. His only weakness was being too unselfish

exactly

[Callystarr]

Baby Kobe and Toddler Timmy being Jazz's playoff competetion



Shows how diluted the 90's and early 00's were

Baby Kobe might have something there but Tim Duncan was putting up great stats from the beginning and they had David Robinson..

[Callystarr]

Of course they weren't.

'93 Knicks, '93 Suns, '96 Sonics, '92 Blazers are all better.

Lies....

Phoenix and Utah were the only teams to even have a shot at game 7 against the Bulls.

Utah was robbed of 5 repayable points in that final game, and I'm not even talking about the Bryon Russell/MJ foul.

Ron Harper had a 2 pointer get counted that should not have counted off the glass, and Howard Eisley 3 pointer prior to halftime was waive off even though replay showed it should have counted.

Utah was the Bulls toughest competition in those years.

Not to mention in the 90s, I believe Utah had the 2nd best record in the NBA.

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]Playoff Blunders

1986 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs
1987 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1988 - choked semi's vs Lakers (5 seed)
1989 - choked 1st rnd vs Warriors (as favorites)
1990 - choked 1st rnd vs Suns (as favorites)
1991 - choked semi's vs Trailblazers (5 seed)
1992 - choked WCF vs Trailblazers
1993 - choked 1st rnd vs Sonics
1994 - choked WCF vs Rockets
1995 - choked 1st rnd vs Rockets (as favorites)
1996 - choked WCF vs Sonics
1997 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1998 - choked Finals vs Bulls
1999 - choked semi's vs Blazers
2000 - choked semi's vs Blazers (as favorites)
2001 - choked 1st rnd vs Mavs (as favorites)
2002 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings
2003 - choked 1st rnd vs Kings (5 seed)



18 Playoffs together

9 First round exits

4 Semi Conf exits

3 Conf final exits

2 Finals exits



[I]The Original Trash Bros

[Callystarr]

^^^

Did this dude really just say curry is dumbed down?

Golden state averages more assists, hockey assists, and total passes than the late 90s jazz.

Golden state makes them look dumb... just spamming PnRs.



That was almost as ignorant as 3balls "standstill" comment, when the dubs have more player movement than perhaps any team ever.

The NBA back then played defense and less total possessions.

[Callystarr]

the 98 team never should have won


Utah got robbed badly, refs apologized to them next year

There should have at least been a game 7 back in Utah.

As a Utah fan, I was stunned at the calls. In today's NBA, Utah would have gotten those points back because of instant replay.

[red1]

OG trash bros aka the REAL trash bros

[3ball]

Your argument would only hold water for hypotheticals where the Dubs faced squads who played without the 3pt line...

Nope.. it holds water for teams that simply didn't use the 3-point line much, so all teams in the 80's and 90's and 00's

[3ball]

John Stockton didn't become a start until the 87-88 season.

1988 - Lakers were playing prime basketball. Should be noted that John Stockton averaged 20 and 15 along with 3 steals per game in the playoffs that year.

1989 - John Stockton averaged 27/14 per game along with nearly 4 steals per game.

at this point I'm tired of going through the stat lines.

By the time Utah became a really good team, John Stockton and Karl Malone were OLD, and well past their prime. John Stockton was like 36 years old when they had their Finals runs, the condensed 1999 season which was their best chance to win a championship killed them - as they were massively fatigued by season end being the old players they were. I remember there being 8 back to back to back games back then.

To compare Delev to Stockton is just plain stupid. These legends ie. Gary Payton, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas they know what they were asking about.

John Stockton is one of the 2 best point guards to EVER play this game championships or not.

Exactly...

Utah is 4-8 in the Finals against the most unbeatable Finals teams ever (6/6), while the kd-less Warriors are 8-10 against Le3/9 and a Canadian team

The Warriors Finals comp is the weakest ever, and is less than Utah's western conference foes that Utah swept (shaq's 4 all-star Lakers and Popovich/Duncan/Robinson's 56-win Spurs)

In short, Utah faced much tougher comp and a tougher league than the Warriors facing a "JV" conference in the Finals.. So Utah destroys the kd-less Warriors, like everyone else does

[scuzzy]

Nope.. it holds water for teams that simply didn't use the 3-point line much, so all teams in the 80's and 90's and 00's

considering how much 3p% shot up after the line was pushed closer in 95, that statement holds no weight